Re: AT&T Usenet Netnews Service Shutting Down

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:15:26 -0700, Joerg <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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krw wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:38:22 -0700, Joerg <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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krw wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:11:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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krw wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:58:34 -0700, Joerg <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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krw wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:54:37 -0700, Joerg <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Some banks tend to drag on, maybe they play with the money in that time.
I mean, two days delay divided by 365 times the total transfer volume,
that's quite some dough.
IIRC, it wasn't a bank issue. It was whoever they collect through in
Left Pondia. I don't remember the details. It's been at least five
years.

If this works I'll probably just pay in 50 Euros or so and have peace of
mind the next five years. Someone told me you can actually do that.
After the first year the charge is automatic. They're really good
about letting you know ahead of time too, in case you want to cancel.
Not really. AFAIK you must initiate the payment.
I've only initiated one payment. The last four or five have been
automatic, with ample notification by both parties.

Hmm. Would be fine with me though, less hassle. But AFAIR one has to
give the other party what's called "Einzugsermaechtigung" over there, an
authorization to draft from an account (with rights to have that reversed).

You had them withdraw money from an account? I'd *never* do that on
this side of the pond. "Pull" from an account is asking for trouble.
Yes, the European "push" is a far better scheme.


Now I am confused. What exactly is happeing with your payment and who
initiates it?

I don't really know, Individual I expect. Oh, I think I see the
confusion. When I said "both parties", I meant Individual and whoever
does their clearing on this side of the big pond. Both notify me well
before the transfer takes place and I have the option to cancel.

From Europe I only know "pull", not "push".

Now I'm confused. We have a "pull" system here. They convert a check
to an EFT (Check-21) and *pull* the money out of your account. From
everything I've read about the European banking system, they give you
the account information and you *push* the money into their account.
Therefor, they cannot double-dip (or worse) like they can here.

I wish their service level was universal.
Universal, as in binaries? I wish there was at least a limited file size
binary they could carry, for scope plots, schematics, layout questions
that people might have. The web site upload method is quite tedious when
compared to a simple one-click file attachment.
Universal is in "the level of service I can expect from all companies,
Internet and otherwise".

That's the problem, nearly all ISPs have canned binaries. Now most are
canning Usenet completely :-(

That's a *different* problem. ;-)


Maybe, but the fact of the matter is that many alt-groups have become
less useful to nearly useless.

Yes, though that isn't too much of a change for the alt hierarchy.

To be fair, I do a reasonable amount of business via the Internet and
have found a bunch of excellent companies to deal with. They know
that service is what they're selling.


So far I can't complain about AT&T lately. Rocky in the first years and
customer support required a large dose of persistence on my side but I
never had a problem in that area. The last few years was smooth sailing.
No major outages except when a kid slammed his car into a big green
metal box (but the good thing is he lived).

I've used AT&T's business Internet service (attglobal) for fifteen
years (it used to be IBM.net) and have been very pleased with the
service. I now also use AT&T.net for DSL access, but the technical
level of the service isn't the same. AT&T.net treats their customers
like idiots, for one. It takes forever to troubleshoot a problem
because every call has to go through the same troubleshooting script.
After nine months, I still can't access the email servers. It's
simply not worth going through another call to them. BTW, AT&T.net
and AT&T global don't talk to each other. In fact, I'm convinced that
they don't know each other exists.

The last few years was smooth sailing.
No major outages except when a kid slammed his car into a big green
metal box (but the good thing is he lived).

Yeah, a few hours of Internet outage is better than if the "big green
box" were potted in concrete. I see people brag about armoring mail
boxes, too.
.

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