Re: OT: This is why there are "denialists"...

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:44:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
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On Jun 28, 1:24 pm, John Larkin
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools



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On Jun 28, 11:44 am, John Larkin
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:05:20 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

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On Jun 27, 9:47 pm, John Larkin
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On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:55:33 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

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On Jun 27, 8:02 pm, Bill Sloman <bill.slo...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 28, 1:40 am, John Larkin

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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:55:49 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

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On Jun 26, 8:52 am, John Larkin
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:58:20 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools

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On Jun 25, 9:42 pm, John Larkin
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:19:08 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

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"The House of Representatives is preparing to vote Friday on a massive
'cap and trade' bill purportedly designed to address global warming
- though they call it 'climate change' now since the globe hasn't
warmed in the past few years - that will probably not be finished until
minutes before voting begins. The reason is that proponents are still
buying votes from moderate Democrats with special-interest favors and
sweetheart deals. Not only will this bill do little or nothing to curb
global warming - it's all pain and no gain - it has become a Christmas
tree for politically connected industries and lobbyists."

This is why we "denialists" hate warmingism - oh, wait -
climate-change-ism now, since there hasn't been any warming for awhile...

Full story:
http://headlines.ocregister.com/articles/bill-31608-energy-cap.html

Cheers!
Rich

It's likely that few of the people voting on the bill will have read
much of it. It's possible that *nobody* who votes on the bill will
have read all of it. It's insane, just more pork. Spain has
demonstrated the real value of throwing money at "green" jobs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR200...

Obama and his boys are The Original Amateur Hour. Bungling fools.

John

We won...you lost...get over it.

It's not over, and it remains to see who lost. The only clear winner
is the teleprompter industry.

John

LOL...you need to rewatch some of Bush's old speeches.

You may have to watch several before finding one where he speaks in
complete sentences.

Too many people who vote seem to prefer oratory skills and glamorous
wives to principles.

Dubbya couldn't do oratory, didn't have a glamorous wife, and his only
principle seemed to be too look after his rich friends. Obama has to
be an improvement.

The most charismatic and smoothest talking Presidents have been the worst.

Regan was famously fluent. He didn't have an idea of his own, but your
crowd seemed to like him.

Except for Carter, of course, who was astoundingly bad at almost everything... and still is.

Comapredwith Dubbya?

I'm thinking that history will be a lot kinder to W than to O.

If Obama screws up badly enough for this foolish wish to come true,
you probably won't survive to gloat.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Reagan was an actor.

He was much less a President than most conservatives realize.

TMT

Tell that to the East Germans and the Poles and the Czechs.

John

Eastern Europe would have changed without Reagan...they just ran out
of money.

Funny coincidence that the Wall came down after RR demanded that it
come down. Funny coincidence that JFK let it go up.

"John F. Kennedy had acknowledged in a speech on July 25, 1961,[21]
that the United States could hope to defend only West Berliners and
West Germans; to attempt to stand up for East Germans would result
only in an embarrassing downfall. Accordingly, the administration made
polite protests at length via the usual channels, but without fervour,
even though it was a violation of the postwar Potsdam Agreements,
which gave the United Kingdom, France and the United States a say over
the administration of the whole of Berlin. Indeed, a few months after
the barbed wire was erected, the U.S. government informed the Soviet
government that it accepted the Wall as "a fact of international life"
and would not challenge it by force."

Gutless creep.

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_wall#Construction_begins.2C_1961

A lesson from history that the United States should consider carefully
these days.

Yes. Doormats get trampled.

John

The Wall came down because East Germany ran out of money...because the
Soviet Union quit subsidizing it.

Because *they* ran out of money. Know why?



It is as simple as that.

If Carter had been President, the same result would have occurred.

Carter? What a joke. National Malaise. Stagflation. Misery Index. All
great inventions from a peanut farmer/failed "nucular" engineer. Look
up the history of the Iran embassy hostage thing... especially how it
ended.

John

You mean like Iraq?

LOL...then why do historians consider him to be one of the better
Presidents?

Sorry John but your credibility is dropping fast.

TMT

You don't know anything about electronics, or history, or economics,
and you substitute party-line prejudices for thinking. It's not
productive to have discussions with people who don't know how to
think.

Credibility in s.e.d.? Show us some electronics you've designed.

John

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  • Re: OT: This is why there are "denialists"...
    ... - though they call it 'climate change' now since the globe hasn't ... Not only will this bill do little or nothing to curb ... global warming - it's all pain and no gain - it has become a Christmas ... to attempt to stand up for East Germans would result ...
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