Re: OT: Obama wants your PIN

On 25 Aug 2009 13:10:31 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


And that's exactly what saved your life. You'll never pay your medical
bills, which you know perfectly well. It was a government-regulated
backup system that redistributed your expenses to the paying customers
-- some small amount of which you'll pay back, but you can't pay the
whole quarter-million plus interest. You'll be lucky to cover the
interest. And if you could pay the whole thing, it just shows what an
idiot you were not to have medical insurance, which would have cost
you MUCH less, even at today's high rates, than the amortization of
that government "loan" that kept you from dying -- twice.

So you're kind of a hypocrite on this issue (as on quite a few others)
because the system you're bad-mouthing is the one that kept you alive.
A lot of the health care PAYMENT system is highly government regulated
already. You may call it "socialized." But it's what kept you around
to bad-mouth the people who saved your life.

--
Ed Huntress

What Ed fails to understand..is that Im now an Offical Liberal, and
hence am entitled to all the free medical care, welfare etc etc that I
want. And Ive got a Matricula Consular card that indicates Im an
illegal alien, so its double good that I got "free" medical care.




http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2009/08/25/5_liberal_lies_about_
obamacare

Barrack Obama and his pals in the mainstream media are doing everything
in their power to keep people from finding out the truth about the
health care bills that are winding their way through Congress.

Rather than engaging in an honest debate about the pluses and minuses of
socialized medicine, they've abandoned all significant attempts to work
with the GOP, they've demonized American citizens who've dared to voice
their concern at townhalls, and they have lied more than Bill Clinton
probably did the first time Hillary mentioned the name "Gennifer
Flowers" to him.

Liberal claim: The public option won't kill private health insurance.
When that sleazy old terrorist Yasser Arafat was alive, he was famous
for telling Westerners he wanted peace in English, while telling his own
people in Arabic to kill the Jews. Liberals are using the same tactic
with the public option.

When they're talking to the general public, they assure them that the
public option won't kill private insurance and if people like the plans
they have, they'll be able to keep them.

But when liberals talk to each other, they explicitly admit that the
public option is designed to kill private insurance so the government
can take complete control.

There are many examples of this, but this quote from Barney Frank is so
crystal clear about what they're doing that no more examples are really
needed,

I think if we get a good public option, it could lead to single
payer and that's the best way to reach single payer. Saying you'll do
nothing until you reach single payer is a sure way never to get it.

Liberal Claim: Illegal aliens won't be covered If you want to know why
Americans don't believe Congress or the mainstream media, the sort of
slick deception that's being practiced here is typical of what's driving
the distrust.

There is indeed a clause in the House bill that says illegal aliens
aren't covered. The mainstream media looks at that clause and then
dutifully reports, as if it were a fact, that illegal aliens won't be
getting taxpayer funded health care.

However, here's the catch: there's no enforcement provision. Texas
Congressman Lamar Smith explains how the scam will work:

The Democrats? bill in the House, H.R. 3200, contains gaping
loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded
benefits. And these loopholes are no accident.

The legislation contains no verification mechanism to ensure that
illegal immigrants do not apply for benefits. Republicans offered an
amendment to close this loophole ? it would have required verification
using the existing methods that are already in place to verify
eligibility for other federal benefits programs. But when they were
asked to put the language of the bill where their words were, in a
party-line vote, House Democrats rejected the amendment to require
verification and close this loophole.

In other words, the Democrats can claim that illegal aliens won't be
covered by the bill and even point to a provision in it that says it
won't happen. Meanwhile, if the health care bill passes, millions of
illegals aliens will have their health care picked up on the taxpayer's
dime -- just as the Democrats planned all along.

Liberal claim: Abortion won't be covered by the bill. This is another
clever bit of sleight of hand designed to fool the American public. As
Congressman Steve King explained:

...The history of abortion funding from the federal government has
been this: since 1973, the federal government has funded abortions
unless there was an explicit prohibition written into the law. We have
prohibited that in any number of cases, but this healthcare bill that's
being rolled out by the Democrats and the House, by any information I
have of what's in it, would fund abortion because there is no explicit
prohibition.

In fact, there was an amendment that was brought through the Energy
and Commerce Committee that passed by one vote, that would have
prohibited abortions. They then turned around and wrote another
amendment that struck it out again. So, the committee has voted to fund
abortions with public taxpayer dollars.

So, is there a provision in the bill that says that abortion will be
funded? No, but all that means is that abortion will be funded by
default. This shouldn't surprise anyone given that Barack Obama
explicitly said abortion would be covered in his health care plan during
the campaign:

The Obama campaign responded to a question about health care from
the pro-abortion RH Reality Check web site.

"Senator Obama believes that reproductive health care is basic
health care," the campaign said, using the phrase that abortion
advocates employ to refer to abortion.

"His health care plan will create a new public plan, which will
provide coverage of all essential medical services. Reproductive health
care is an essential service," the Obama campaign added.

The Obama camp also made it clear that any private insurance
companies wanting to participate would also be required to provide
abortion coverage.

"And private insurers that want to participate will have to treat
reproductive care in the same way," the Obama campaign responded.

Liberal Claim: The health care bill will lower costs: This is perhaps
the single most jaw droppingly dishonest claim about the whole bill,
especially given that Medicare's unfunded liability is 34 trillion
dollars. How in the world are the same people running a program that's
on track to bankrupt the entire country supposed to create a newer,
larger program that's going to actually lower the cost of health care?

Estimates of how much the bill will add to the deficit range from a few
hundred billion to a trillion dollars plus, but these are likely to
dramatically underestimate the costs for two reasons.

First of all, there's the staggered way the system is supposed to be
rolled out,

The Congressional Budget Office has estimated the proposal now under
consideration will cost over 10 years a little more than $1 trillion,
depending on the final deal. House Democrats have vowed to find a way to
pay for that cost despite an acknowledgement by a Congressional Budget
Office official that the deficit will increase $239 billion because of
Medicare payments to doctors.

But fully phased-in coverage of Americans under the plan will only
occur for six of the 10 years measured by the CBO. That's because the
Democratic plan in the House will start collecting revenues in 2011 but
won't start providing coverage until 2013 and won't be fully implemented
until 2015.

Why set the system up this way? In part, so that the Democrats can game
the system and hide how much it's really going to add to the deficit.

Even setting that aside, the Congressional Budget Office has
traditionally underestimated how much health care programs cost by
stunning margins. Here's one all-too-typical example,

In 1965, as Congress considered legislation to establish a national
Medicare program, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the
hospital insurance portion of the program, Part A, would cost about $9
billion annually by 1990. Actual Part A spending in 1990 was $67
billion. The actuary who provided the original cost estimates
acknowledged in 1994 that, even after conservatively discounting for the
unexpectedly high inflation rates of the early ?70s and other factors,
?the actual [Part A] experience was 165% higher than the estimate.?

At a time when we're running the largest deficit in history and spending
at an unsustainable level, can we afford to create yet another massive
entitlement program? After creating a debt so big that our children's
children won't be able to pay it off, what are we going for here? Are we
trying to create a world where our great, great, great, great, great,
great grandchildren will still be spending a significant amount of their
income to pay for the goodies we're getting from the government today?

Liberal Claim: There will be no rationing of health care. If you're
wondering if a "death panel" will convene and "pull the plug on
Grandma," essentially, the answer is "yes." Of course, it won't be
called a "death panel" and Nancy Pelosi is not going to show up
personally and yank Grandma's life support out of the wall. They don't
have to be that dramatic.

Consider what happened to Barbara Wagner, who's on Oregon?s state-run
health care program. Her doctor prescribed a cancer drug that slows the
spread of disease and the Oregon Health Plan refused to cover the cost
of the treatment. However, they did note some other things they would
cover including ?doctor-assisted suicide.? That's what a "death panel
pulling the plug on grandma" looks like in the real world and we'll be
seeing it nationwide if the Democrats get their way.

Still don't believe it? Well, consider this: the Democrats say their
plan will cover a lot more Americans. Yet, there are no provisions in it
to add any new doctors or nurses. In fact, one of the ways they're going
to save money is by simply refusing to pay hospitals the full value of
what their services are worth. Take any business and dramatically
increase the number of customers they're serving with the same staff
while significantly decreasing the amount of money per customer they
receive, and you're going to get a drop-off in quality. How bad can it
get? In Britain, 100 people a week lose their eyesight because the
government run health care system is so overstretched that they can't
get them an appointment with an optometrist. That's how it works in
Britain and that?s how it will eventually work here, too, if the
Democrats have their way.


This is Eds way..and the way of the Left.

Which is why Ive got Eddy killfiled. Because he is either stupid, or a
shill for the DNC.

Gunner

Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.
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