Re: OT: Old Mozilla to new Thunderbird, how to get emails over?

Joerg Inscribed thus:

Baron wrote:
Joerg Inscribed thus:

Baron wrote:
Joerg Inscribed thus:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:24:15 -0800) it happened
Joerg <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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Want to provide my wife with a new puter. Old one used
integrated Mozilla browser/email, new one Thunderbird.

For the life of me it will not read the copied email
directories. It has some dumbed-down importer but that neither
shows Mozilla nor does it allow a file import. It only looks for
old email programs on the new computer which naturally ain't
there (duh!).

So, how does one get the whole directory chebang over? Old
Mozilla on old computer to new Thunderbird on new computer.

You avoid that shit by using Linux and 'pine' as email program.
Been using it for 12 years, still perfect.

Can't do that because that easily opens another can of worms. WLAN
driver not available, modem doesn't work, soundcards, etc. Plus I
don't like the way Linux handles directory writing privileges (or
rather, doesn't handle). I have Linux in a VM here on the PC, to
try out gEDA and stuff.
What ! I agree that in the old days that might have been true.
But no
longer. I run Open SuSE 11.1, just changed from 10.3, and
everything
works just fine even the modem. Ok so its not a Win modem, but it
still works just fine.

I don't know about the gazillion distros and quite frankly don't
want to. It should be possible to pick one and work with it.
However, I have seen numerous cases where people either spent hours
looking for a work-around, hacking a driver or resigning to the fact
that this, that and the other thing couldn't be used anymore under
Linux. Mostly this was sound cards, modems and WLAN adaptors. Plus
the occasional not-so-usual USB gizmo.

It does help to be able to choose hardware that is well supported !

I don't understand what you mean about "the way Linux handles
directory writing privileges" though I do think that the concept of
ownership is a little difficult for someone that uses Windows.

What I mean is this: When trying gEDA and in particular gschem under
Ubuntu I could not write to library directories of that software.
When asking in a forum experienced Linux users and programmers told
me "You aren't supposed to do that". Which simply is not true for
CAD.

I suspect that the problem with directories was down to the way
Ubuntu tries to control what a user is allowed to do. ...


AFAIR it wasn't just Ubuntu. Many in the forum used Linux'es of other
flavors. They said you can't write there unless logged in as root.
Well, I guess in Linux that would still be much safer than in Windows
because that small community isn't much of a hacker target.


... I tried gEDA for a
while and decided that Eagle was better, primarily because I was more
familiar with it. I don't recall that I had any problems with
manipulating library's or their contents.


I wanted to ditch Eagle because it has no hierachy, which gEDA has.
Main reason why I stayed with Eagle was that gschem does not handle
refdeses and auto-annotation properly for analog design. When I tried
to discuss that in the newsgroup I was pretty much blown off, even by
the big brass there. So I concluded that gEDA is more something for
hobbyists, not for me.

Yes, the hierarchy is missing in Eagle. The gEDA group tend to be a bit
touchy, sensitive may be a better word. :-)

KiCad was IMHO a whole lot better and had a more professional feel to
it. Except that it also botches auto-numbering and for some reason has
an ugly drawing frame hardcoded in (which drags the professional look
of it down several notches).

I took one look at that and instantly hated it.

But at the end of the day its down to "what works" for you ! At
least you tried with an open mind, which few new users actually do.

Many Windows users are really looking for a free look a like. I find
that "older" people are far more willing to learn something new and
generally have a much better experience because of it.


Yeah, I am over the hill when it comes to "older" :-)

That makes two of us... ;-)

--
Best Regards:
Baron.
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