Re: Request for a vote, newsgroup alt.binaries.electronics

On 12/25/05 7:24 PM, in article
Xns9737C56841B0Cres808c4earthlinknet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "newtype"
<fakeaddress@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Request for a vote, newsgroup alt.binaries.electronics
>
> Reasons for creating a new newsgroup. From the posts I have
> made to alt.binaries.schematics.electronic , the realization
> is a.b.s.e is not suited for many multipart files. PDF binaries
> are large and have been posted, but I can not u/l large files,
> so I break them up to smaller meg files. I am told that
> I'm flooding a.b.s.e If this is flooding, then I suggest a
> newsgroup aimed specifically at posting electronics related
> data. I've been told I'm breaking copyright laws. The data
> sheets that I was posting are obsolete, TI, Phillips/Signetics
> do not support obsolete devices, they could care less about
> obsolete. Othere users have posted manuals and I'm sure they
> have also been warned about breaking copyright laws.
> If the manufacturer does not exist anymore, who is going to
> complain about corporate copyright law? There's no one there
> at headquarters, it's been turned into a shopping mall?
> The main problem is not the copyright issue, it has to do
> with users who are complaining about "flooding" a.b.s.e
> with so many files. It's about new people introduced to the
> internet & don't know how to use/configure their newsreader.
>
>
> I did a google search and came upon this doc,
>
> http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming
>
> If a new group is to be justified, its topic must already
> be under discussion somewhere in existing Usenet groups.
> The question is: under what circumstances is a new group
> warranted?
>
> 1. If the topic is consistently dominating discussion in a
> more general group (e.g. 80% of discussion in alt.books.horror
> is about one author). Forming a new group because of this
> reason is called "splitting". If you want to form a newsgroup
> by splitting from an existing group, you should discuss the
> idea of a new group in the existing group before coming to
> alt.config with a proposal. People have to agree that there
> is a logical way to split the discussion. The old and new
> group would both be need to be viable after the split.
>
>
>
> The topic I have been posting are the multi-part rar files
> to a.b.s.e , which no one seems to understand what to do with
> them. If there's a new newsgroup to handle all these files,
> then it would be much less of an annoyance. Users have complained
> "what the hell are these f*&king things, get the f%$k out of here"
> This tells you that some users don't know a thing about a common
> archiving file, rar. They complain about par files. There have
> been too many complaints on how to use a newsreader, what
> newsreaders are there, why are these users trying use a web
> browser to read newsgroups? I have been told the files are porn
> related. How is a data*** porn material? I've been told
> all these files are related to music and video files. How
> are the datasheets related to music and video?
> I have not posted any porn, music or video files.
>
> Again, this boils down to the complainers who don't know what
> to do with so many files, so they related the rar and par files
> to the web sites they have visited, the porn newsgroups, the
> music newsgroups, the digital video newsgroups.
>
> I've been told" read the f#*king a.b.s.e. charter.
> There is no charter for a.b.s.e , never has been, never will be.
> In the beginning a.b.s.e was created for just what I'm doing,
> posting of binary files, pdfs, executables, binaries. How is
> anyone going to post an executable without breaking it up
> to smaller files? But now, what I'm doing is called flooding
> a.b.s.e . Even with the current users in a.b.s.e, complainers
> will probably complain about copyright of executables.
>
> With all this complaining, no one from anyother newsgroup,
> will ever post their program or project. No has ever posted
> cad files, pcb files, because they have to break up these files,
> use zip-split? Someone will complain they are flooding the
> newsgroup.
>
> Over the years the internet has grown in leaps and bounds.
> PC Hardware & software increasing more & more. Connection
> speed dsl, cable modem, gigs at a time. Students run
> multi-terabye servers for their summer job or intern job.
>
> This is the year 2006 and a new newsgroup to handle
> multi-part binary files should be introduced.
>
> I propose new newsgroup : alt.binaries.electronics
>
> CHARTER: alt.binaries.electronics is for; 1) the support of
> design, development, prototype and repair of electronic and
> electrical equipment , 2) to support those that maintain
> obsolete equipment , 3) a place for those users needing to
> post multi-part binary files dealing with electronics.
> The multi-part binary files can be of the format Zip, WinRar
> and Par. As time goes on and better archiving software becomes
> available, this charter will add those archiving software.
>
> The newsgroup will be moderated. Off-topic binaries, spam
> and advertising posts are not permitted. Discussion of hacks,
> cracks, warez, serial numbers or the illegal exchange of
> copyrighted software is banned.
>
>
> as per http://nylon.net/alt/index.htm#Naming
>
> People have to agree that there is a logical way to split the
> discussion. The old and new group would both be needed to be
> viable after the split.
>
>
> I see no problem here. Some of the electronic data I have posted
> dose not exist on any web page.
>
> Binaries', as they are called, are messages that have attachments
> that are not pure text: they include photos, programs, WAV files,
> Word documents, animations etc)
>
> ALL GROUPS that are meant to have binaries posted to them must be
> under alt.binaries.* or similar groups.
>
> Don't ask for a binaries group unless you really need it.
>
>
> I am asking for a news newsgroup to use for the present and
> future postings.
>
>
> Before creating a new ALT newsgroup, the big question is whether
> there is really a need for it. The net gods will always ask for
> numerical justification for the creation of a new group.
>
> RELEVANCE: you can only count messages if their discussion is
> relevant to your groups's topic. The fact that a certain word
> appears in a message does not guarantee that the message can
> be counted as relevant for justification purposes.
>
>
> This a call for a vote. I am not looking for off topic discussion,
> not looking for being called I'm stupid, get lost.

I don't know if you are or aren't stupid, but you are certainly ignorant of
the boards historical function.

>
> This a call for a vote.


I vote NO.

The only problem in a.b.s.e is the new, recent one of newtype flooding the
board with datasheets and other documents, to archive them, though nobody
has requested most, if any, of them.

Typical use of a.b.s.e is to post schematics in support of other Board's
discussions, for example s.e.d. On occasion it is also used to exchange
other miscellaneous binary files.

Also typically, when someone posts a request for data*** information, they
are referred to a search engine that can find it for them, or such info may
be transferred on a peer to peer basis.

Newtype is new to the Board and refuses to believe he is flooding the board,
creating problems. If it was his board he would have his tantrum and take
his board home.

Don

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