Re: How to clean up mains power?

w_tom wrote:
On Aug 16, 3:03 am, N7ZZT - Eric Oyen <n7...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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you couldn't have stated anything in a single paragraph?

such wordy responses as you have shown tend to indicate to me that you know
less than you are prepared to admit (I've seen this type of behavior in too
many places not to know it for what it is).

Perhaps w_ is educated past his intelligence?


Without those many 'whys',
then I would be George Bush proving that Saddam had WMDs.

A sometimes reliable source has informed me w_ was a chief advisor to George II on WMDs. Compare the complete lack of confirming sources that say plug–in suppressors are not effective.


Why does the manufacturer not list each
type of surge and numbers for that protection?

Wh does w_’s favored service panel suppressor manufacturer SquareD does not list “each type of surge’? Because this is a bullcrap invention of w_’s.



Even one of Bud's regular sources, Martzloff, describes the problem
in his 1996 IEEE paper. A problem with plug-in (point of use)
protectors so significant that it is his very first conclusion:

w_ forgets to mention that Martzloff said in the same 1994 (not 1996) paper:
"Mitigation of the threat can take many forms. One solution. illustrated in this paper, is the insertion of a properly designed surge reference equalizer [multiport plug-in surge suppressor]."

In 2001 Martzloff wrote the NIST guide which says plug-in suppressors work.

Because plug-in suppressors violate w_'s religious belief in earthing he has to twist what Martzloff said about them.


On alt.engineering.electrical, w_ similarly misconstrued the views of Arshad Mansoor, a Martzloff co-author, and provoked a response from an electrical engineer:
"I found it particularly funny that he mentioned a paper by Dr. Mansoor. I can assure you that he supports the use of surge equalization type [multiport] plug-in protectors. Heck, he just sits down the hall from me. LOL."



Bud routinely ignores that Martzloff paper when promoting plug-in
protectors.

w_ routinely twists what Martzloff, Mansoor, the IEEE guide, the NIST guide say. All say plug-in suppressors are effective.

And I don’t promote plug–in suppressors. I promote accurate information. Read the guides for the whole picture. Use what is appropriate for your situation.


No wonder he completely ignores Page 42 Figure 8 - how
plug-in protectors have been observed creating household appliance
damage.

The lie repeated.


But again - no earth
ground means no effective protection.

The required statement of religious belief in earthing.

The question is not earthing - everyone is for it. The only question is whether plug-in suppressors are effective. The IEEE and NIST guides plus Martzloff and Mansoor say they are.


There are 98,615,938 other web sites, including 13,843,032 by lunatics, and w_ can't find another lunatic that says plug-in suppressors are NOT effective. All you have is w_'s opinions based on his religious belief in earthing.


Bizarre claim - plug-in surge suppressors don't work
Never any sources that say plug-in suppressors are NOT effective.
Twists opposing sources to say the opposite of what they really say.
Attempts to discredit opponents.
w_ is a purveyor of junk science.


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bud--

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