Re: Latest News

From: R. Steve Walz (rstevew_at_armory.com)
Date: 12/04/04 

Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:04:05 GMT

Mark Fergerson wrote:
>
> R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> >> That is exactly what happens. It's how massive
> >> Beaureacracies perpetuate themselves.
>
> > Nonsense, nobody takes the money home, if they do it's
> prison for them.
>
> Except that the interlocking bureaucracies are the ones
> doing the watchdogging and prosecuting. Why else would
> "whistleblowing" in the government sector be so risky?
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The current bureaucracy doesn't punish rich white criminals.
It's well worth stealing given the prison time vs the offshore
account. If we start killing anyone who violates the public
trust and follow the rest of them around, they'll behave.

 
> > Actually, the parasites are the Wealthy.
>
> You know very well that Government paperpushers do _no_
> useful work in terms of increasing the GNP.
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Enforcing the law is an net increase in services.

Now accountants who keep track for the Wealthy upon how much the
poor SUPPOSEDLY owe them FOR BREATHING, are ALSO parasites!
They should be retrained to assembly-line production work!
THAT would REALLY increase the GDP!
 

> >> You mean "I refuse to acknowledge that beaureaucracies
> >> are a parasite class
>
> > Since they are paid a wage like yours to do what the
> People asked,
> > none of them are by definition any kind of "parasite",
> all the
> > parasites are the wealthy!
>
> You are again confusing how your fantasy world might work
> with the way reality works.
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No, that's what YOU'RE doing. The fact you assert this at every
turn instead shows that you're most nervous about that lie.

 
> >> Just don't allow them to come into existence. Mechanize
> >> everything Governmental, and rotate the operators so nobody
> >> starts thinking of it as their "turf".
>
> > So nobody knows what's going on so the profiteers can
> steal it all.
>
> If your State's economy is as straightforward as you
> claim it ought to be, training Government system operators
> should be as simple as teaching the use of an abacus. In
> fact, anyone who knows the rudiments of programming,
> accounting, and computer operation in general (which IMNSHO
> ought to be everybody by graduation from middle school) will
> be an "expert" with no need of system-specific training.
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Every criminal should be pursued by those who specialize in
detecting and capturing him so that criminals have no advantage
over the People's government and the public laws.

 
> If a system is not totally transparent to anyone that
> looks at it, it's because somebody wants to hide something.
> That's what's wrong with the current system.
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Hiding things isn't the problem, it's TAKING THEM HOME!
My system wouldn't permit anyone a safe haven for stolen items,
and NO money would even EXIST to BE stolen, and there are no
banks or currency to put it in, and everything you own is public
information, right down to the serial number on it.

 
> >>> What actually happens to it is it flows toward the rich and
> >>> away from you. And banks are how they do it.
>
> >> Sigh. Right after hanging all the lawyers, stone the
> >> bankers? How about stuffing my own damn mattress? Or do you
> >> now equate all saving with "hoarding"?
>
> > Saving money is hording. No savings or savable money should
> > exist, wage must chase goods, housing is owned free and clear
> > and retirement is state-paid.
>
> No, it isn't "State-paid". It's added onto every price
> paid by anyone and lumped together for later redistribution.
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Of course!
Now how ELSE did you think the rest of us were going to pay for
a retiree's retirement, eh??
That's State Paid! Oh, that's right, again you got confused and
you thought the State was some magical entity, and not just The
Rest Of Us!!
Typical Rightist confusion.

> There is no, and never has been, any State. There are only
> people acting (hopefully) in concert.
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And that's what I meant, and you well know I did.

 
> Sensible people "put stuff by", including money, for
> immediate emergencies that no State can be equipped to
> handle in the short term.
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Gee, why? Of course it can, it is the individual which cannot,
because we don't rescue the State, the State rescues individuals
who have been victimized by the vicissitudes of accidental harm.

 
> >> Won't you ever get over your "up against the wall"
> >> mindset? What motivation have your defined classes of
> >> "criminals" for improving things?
>
> > The Rich Criminals have PREVENTED most human advancement,
> we'd
> > be on the Moon, half the nation would be reforested, we'd
> live
> > on mostly professionally hunted game, everyone would own
> their home by now and not rely on petroleum and we'd have
> 300 mph bullet
> > trains that were a quarter the price of planes by now.
>
> Don't be disingenuous.
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Claiming that I AM is disingenuous!!
Everything I said was true of a society that was publically
organized, instead of a grabby get-mine free-for-all with all
manner of ego-ridden merchandising campaigns at cross-purposes
to what the People would want if left solely to decide!!!

By now we'd be on the fucking Moon in numbers!
Capitalism is the VERY LEAST efficient use of labor, talent, and
resources. Without it we'd have a fucking Garden!

> Even the most extreme exclusivist
> type of wealth-accumulator recognizes that raising the
> general level of human advancement is to their benefit
> because it allows them to float at a higher level on it than
> their forebears could achieve. In the process, the
> distinction between rich and poor has historically actually
> narrowed rather than increased. That's largely why frinst
> England's aristocracy has degenerated to a decoration on the
> Commonwealth; they simply _cannot_ live better than their
> subjects in any sense that counts.
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I think you should follow the royals around awhile.
Hint: THEY DON'T WORK!

Well the Rich don't even HAVE any public appearances
they don't wish for!

 
> Frinst, if what you say were true, surgery for everyone,
> rich or poor, would still involve large doses of rum.
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This kind of disingenuous nonsense on your part gets you nothing.
You have presented NO important dynamic or principle that would
require such be true.

Nothing is more pitiful than watching a Rightist pretend that
the educated Left who gave them most everything somehow wouldn't
remember their chemistry or physics or how to use shop tools
and technology. The religious dufuses from the so-called Red
states grow soybeans and corn, cattle and hogs. Now: Having done
those jobs for a living, STILL, they have NOT done my OTHER
previous jobs, ER-EMT, Engineer-Physicist, and the Red states
are actually 48% BLue! Everyplace DEVELOPED becomes a Blue state.

 
> Typically, you aren't listening. How will you convince
> the current rich that it's actually in their long-range
> benefit (which it is) to abandon their illusory pursuit of
> wealth?
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When the Majority shoots a few and tells the rest they're next
if they don't publically divest. Bang. By divestment I mean lose
their home and car and be allowed to take another, but of only
average value. Then the banks and all wealth are seized and all
banking and investment records are destroyed. Those mansions are
assigned ownership to groups of people who can agree to live in
them as co-owner-residents. Or they are torn down and the material
used for other home compounds to be built. They are required to
register for work to eat. They are banned from political activity
of any kind for an indeterminate time. Those who are less than
cooperative we imprison at productive labor, those who resist
in any violent manner we torture-execute.

 
> Or are you hopelessly addicted to your delirious visions
> of bloodbaths?
>
> Mark L. Fergerson
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The vast herd of the Wealthy have done what most people do when
faced with police and laws, they obeyed them. They have only
plotted and schemed to take control of Govt, and when they find
the new laws take their wealth immediately so it offers them no
advantage, and also places them in the ranks of the rest of us,
unable to cajole, bribe, or threaten politicians, because the laws
no longer permit this, they will be stymied, and they will wake
to discover they are now average, and that they LIKEWISE are afraid
of wealth coming back, and precisely BECAUSE it MAY WELL NOT BE
**THEIRS**!!!

It would be poetic justice for a short coup to occur that took all
the wealth of the wealthy and simply delegated it anew to another
class of economic dictators, and for many of the former rich to be
evicted and be thrown into the cold and rain and snow. I would wish
for the demise of that second rich cabal as well, but it sure would
be amusingly ironic on the original wealthy!!

-Steve 

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