Re: P2P sharing of service manual PDF's

From: gothika (Vampyres_at_nettaxi.com)
Date: 06/19/04 

Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:02:59 -0500

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:17:29 -0400, Moose <1@2.com> wrote:

>Is it legal to make pdf copies of manuals and selling them as
>resorations or reprinting them? When does copyright law take effect?
>
>...Moose

Copyright comes into effect the moment you make reproductions.
It's not about whether you make them for profit or for free.
It's about the lost revenue you'd be costing the oem.
>
>On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:16:39 -0500, gothika <Vampyres@nettaxi.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:27:24 -0300, Chaos Master
>><triac@m-net.arbornet.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Mark D. Zacharias (mzacharias@yis.us) caused an illegal operation in module
>>><2iqrerFpu2duU1@uni-berlin.de>:
>>>> I'm starting to think that P2P won't really work due to the way the nodes
>>>> etc work on Kazaa.
>>>>
>>>> I've been investigated a server called Streamload which is fairly ideal but
>>>> requires a 4.95 or 5.95 (I forget which) monthly fee.
>>>
>>>eMule? BitTorrent? (just guesses).
>>>
>>>BitTorrent seems ideal. You just create the .torrent files with the file info
>>>and people download them whenever they want the file.
>>>
>>>[]s
>>
>>Everybody talks Kazaa whenever P2P comes up.
>>I've found Kazaa to be the worst.(endless viruses,worms etc... not to
>>mention all the bogus files.)
>>I know there are scores of P2P services available, some legit and in
>>the open some not.
>>I've used Winmix off and on ever since it went online and found it to
>>be the most productive and safe.(Not one virus/trojan/worm in all the
>>time I've used it.)
>>I don't know if it's set up for documents or such, but if so would be
>>ideal for exchange of manuals.(I'm assuming they'd be in pdf format.)
>>I've also been trying out edonkey the past few weeks with fair
>>results. That might be an option as they seem to have a wide variety
>>of file types available.
>>I think the main issue of contention as to making this work is getting
>>some techs to warm up to the idea of sharing their manuals.(most I've
>>talked to have the attitude that if they had to pay big bucks for a
>>service manual so should everyone else.)
>>We all know that these manuals are priced far above anything
>>resembling a fair market value. Even more so considering that most
>>small repair shops might not use the manual more than once.
>>Some in the repair industry feel the overcharging is a good thing,
>>after all it helps keep many smaller shops from taking repair work on
>>hardware that they'll have to pay 50 bucks or more up front for a
>>service manual just to get started on a job.
>>The high price coupled with the policy not to sell service manuals at
>>the consumer level also keeps the vast majority of the consumer market
>>from servicing their own appliances.(please, I don't need to hear from
>>all in the service industry about how it's too dangerous to allow
>>consumers to attempt their own repair jobs. Not all consumers are as
>>incapable as most would believe.)
>>There ARE thousands of DIY'ers out here that go the distance to learn
>>how to do the work themselves.( I had the advantage of growing up in a
>>TV & Radio repair shop as well as having gone through BE & E in my
>>service days, so I realize I may be a bit of an exception. But have
>>seen many hobbyist that had many hours of schooling in electronics
>>courtesy their local votech.)
>>One way of looking at it could be that if more manuals were swapped it
>>would force down the price of service manuals for all.
>>Only those with monopolizing the market in mind could see this as a
>>bad thing.
>>I can remember the days when a Sams service pack was available to all
>>for as little as a buck. Haven't even seen Sams manuals since most of
>>the hobby shops went out.
>

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