Re: Any bargain 28" or 32" TV's out there?
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Date: 01/16/05
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Date: 15 Jan 2005 17:41:04 -0800
Capitol wrote:
> maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote:
> Although large manufacturers are under great
> > pressure by people who want something but don't want to pay for it,
they
> > still can throw more money and experience at the design, choice of
> > components and manufacturing.
>
>
> But in general they don't. They may spend a bit more on life/etc
testing
> of new designs, but they are much more interested in getting the
product
> into production and sales ASAP. Before you claim again that I and
others
> don't understand electronics, I'd point out that I've spent decades
in
> high volume (>2M/Annum) international electronics design, for some of
> the world's majors.
design of televisions? electronics design is a wide field you know....
(snip)
>Big brands are normally little better
> than cheap/no brands in terms of product quality/life for these
bottom
> end commodity products which are now old/obsolete technology.
That seems like a very sweeping statement and one I find to be totally
inaccurate with regard to TVs. You get what you pay for. Low price
nearly always means low end.
>Spares are
> a thing of the past with modern production efficiencies, cost
precludes
> repair. The production life of a custom TV/Video control
microprocessor
> is generally less than 12 months. Are you prepared to stock unique
> spares for 10 years? If it doesn't work scrap it!
ecologically unsustainable and irresponsible consumerist attitude.
Those landfills will come back to haunt us one day in the
not-too-distant future....
>In general, when you
> buy a, say, Sony TV, you may buy a slightly better picture quality
> because of the unique CRT design, but the rest of the semiconductor
> electronics is more or less bog standard together with the rest of
the
> industry
another imprecise, sweeping statement. Are you referring to componts
used, the circuit design, or both, ? what exactly is "the rest of the
industry"?
and may well be lacking in software originating teletext
> features, compared with a cheapo Goodmans! You may also be amazed at
the
> number of spare components stuck on under the pcb to make it work,
> because the design didn't when it hit production! All manufacturers
> switch component sources to the cheapest available. The low cost
Chinese
> manufacturers are now very good in most cases at producing a reliable
> product in the TV market.
ROFL. utterly wrong - again. Do you seriously believe what you are
coming out with? have you ever stepped into a workshop or opened these
"wonderful" low end sets for repair?
If you look at the number of failures on a
> production % basis you will likely find that they are better than
most
> big brand names which actually have no sales volume! If you are
> referring to CD players, then, yes, there is a difference between
cheap
> units and more expensive units for head life, but this is purely a
> temporary phenomena, whilst the quality is improved in order to get
the
> next order.
So, how do they pull that one off, a "temporary difference phenomenon??
I don't buy major brand named electronics products in
> general, because the selling price is determined by how many suckers
can
> be parted from their money for a pile of frequently expensively
marketed
> crap and I view TV styling as something for sheep. I regard Bose as
> perhaps the most superb example of marketing over product
performance!
Televisions were the original subject of this thread. CD and VCRs are
another thing entirely....You are lumping together many aspects of
Audio visual electronics, and as a result, jumping to erroneous
conclusions.
> I won't start on electrolytics/psus, as this would take all night,
> except to say that good psu design is now so standard that a poor psu
> is purely a QA failure.
examples?
-Ben
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