Re: Equipment, and the Useless Eco- legislation ...

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Arfa Daily wrote:

I have just had a Denon AVR1800 AV amp come across my bench. It is a
reasonably sophisticated model with six channels and Dolby Digital and
DTS
modes, optical inputs and so on. It has an open circuit power
transformer
primary. Enquires to the Denon spares agent came back with the
surprising
news that it is "no longer available".

Now this is not what I expect from a company like Denon, given that
according to the date codes on all the components, it was only
manufactured
in 1999. So what are governments doing, by forcing all of this lead-free
crap on us in the name of eco-friendliness, and squealing about
householders
and their lack of recycling responsibility, and then allowing major
Japanese
manufacturers to get away with stuff like this ?

Why do you think the problem here is related to daft eco-legislation ?

Graham

You are missing the point Graham. The problem itself is not due to the eco
legislation, but a solution to a lot of electronic equipment going to
landfill, or even recycling, *could* be. The point that I was making was
that governments have all jumped on the eco-hysteria-save-the-planet
bandwagon by legislating in a draconian way on issues that were not much
of a problem in the first place, for example lead in solder. Whilst they
are doing this - and causing endless further problems for manufacturers
and service organisations alike, to say nothing of screwing with the
established energy budgets to make and service the stuff, and buggering
long established reliability figures for particular technologies - they
are totally ignoring the thousands of tons of equipment that are being
written off and going to landfill daily, because manufacturers either
won't supply parts to repair that equipment, or make the parts so
expensive that the item becomes not *worth* repairing. How easy would it
be to legislate on this simple 'solution', and make the manufacturers hold
the spares for a particular length of time, and make them sell them to
repair organisations for a sensible price that reflects what it has cost
them to buy and store them? I write off a couple of DVD players a week,
because the manufacturers want more for the laser as a spare part, than
the item cost in the first place, or that they just won't supply it as a
part. Even if you take into account that electronic equipment going to
landfill is on the decline due to recycling initiatives for end-of-life
products being put formerly into place (the WEEE Directive), it would
still be better, energy budget-wise, to repair rather than recycle.

So that's the point I was making - that I thought it was well 'off', that
a 'reputable' major manufacturer like Denon, could no longer supply a
vital part such as the mains tranny for an otherwise perfectly servicable
item that was only a few years old. Thus, the item was going to become
just so much more landfill, or have to be recycled, when governments could
quite easily address this 'real' problem, that we all know exists but they
seem not to, and knock it on the head.

See what I'm saying now ?

Arfa


Arfa - I agree - however I wonder - big business "usually" has a hand in
"buying" votes and forcing some legislation. Are they forcing this sort of
action so people must continue to buy "new" as opposed to having repaired?
They harp on recycling - yet the programs which "were" in effect around
here - died off - and it doesn't seem to be such a big deal. And yet - as
you say - here we are dumping tons of products made unrepairable - because
of those same groups of people (politicians, etc).


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