Re: Fender deLuxe Hot Rod ,2002


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N Cook wrote:


I don't think you realise quite what you're saying there. We had a debate
about this on here some time back, and it was questioned as to how
relevant
valve technology was, when these amplifiers were just old relics of a
bygone
age, and basically not much sold / made any more. A number of people were
surprised at the statistics supplied by the store that I carry out this
service work for. The owner said that approximately 70% of his new gear
stock, was valve, and that every 'serious' guitar player aspired to
owning
a
valve amp. As far as James' contention that there is not a "better" sound
from a valve amp, I think that very much depends on what you're putting
through it. There is little if anything better sounding than a Fender
Strat
played through an (original) Twin Reverb. The smooth response, gentle
clipping, and inherent 2nd harmonic distortion, all contribute to a sound
that is particularly suited to a guitar.


Sentences like
"There is little if anything better sounding than a Fender Strat
played through an (original) Twin Reverb"
are absolutely useles on an electronics repair forum.

Well, not if you work on this stuff a lot, and have at least a basic
understanding of the 'musicality' of particular guitar / amplifier
combinations. If you hear a cheapo 'starter' guitar, played through a fully
solid state amplifier more suited to vocals, or a keyboard, then listen to
say a Fender / Fender combination, you'd know what I mean. I suspect that
most on here who do this work seriously, know exactly what I'm saying.


Now if you could point to a site that has electrograms and spectrum
alalysis
plots, and sound files, of differnet guitars/pickuups/amps/cabs being
played
in different modes along with , (consensus if possible) muso "technical"
language in their terms, their audio description, then it would indeed be
a
very useful addition.
With an extra file giving sound files of common fault conditions
simulated,
ie fault induced clipping rather than musical effect, pops , hiss,
crackle,
hum, buzz, half complementary pair signal, etc that techies could point
owners to, for such noises appearing intermittently and rarely on the work
bench.

Despite what some on here would sometimes have you believe, occasionally, it
*is* just subjective. I would actually think that it would be pretty
difficult to analyse the difference to the point of being able to
demonstrate it, technically. By suggesting that this was 'not your thing', I
intended no offence to your abilities. I know many engineers that are very
good in many fields, but not in the repair of valve amps. I am sure that
there are others out there who, unlike me, are properly musical, that have a
far better ear for problems than I do.

As an example, a few months back, I had a valve band amp in that just
'didn't sound right'. The owner said that it was quiet, and sounded 'thin'.
It wasn't actually all that quiet, but maybe a little compared to what he
was used to. 'Thin' was a good description of the sound. You couldn't really
say that it lacked in bass, or any other register really. It just sounded,
well thin ! With a sine wave and a 'scope and a power load and meter, there
was barely anything amiss with the output waveform or power level. The one
thing that did show on the 'scope, was a slight asymmetry to the wave, but
it was slight, and could have easily been missed. The problem turned out to
be the screen feed resistor on one of the output valves (just a 2 rather
than a 4 valve lineup). It was completely open, so there was no screen
voltage on that valve at all, which would have meant that it was barely
working, so you might have expected to have seen a much more distorted
waveform at the output, as you would have with a semiconductor amp.

When the resistor was replaced, and that valve's contribution to the output
stage was restored, there was little difference in either the overall sine
output power, or the waveshape, but the sound was now much better than
before. It now sounded 'right'. Now I know that doesn't explain the
mechanism of why or just how it sounded 'thin' before, and 'round' after,
but as an engineer doing a lot of this stuff, I knew that it was now
repaired, and the owner agreed. He made a point of calling the shop, and
telling them how 'good' (there we go again ...!) it sounded compared to how
it had for some time. So I make no excuse for using phrases on here like
that I used with the Fender ...

Arfa


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