Re: Somebody asked for a link to the big power tubes I worked with ...
- From: "Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:45:15 +0100
"Meat Plow" <meat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:10:16 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:12:13 -0400, Meat Plow <meat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Good post and I agree.
Something must be wrong. Nobody thanks me or ever agrees with me.
One thing tho and it isn't much proof is that
one of my brother in laws spent his entire working life inside a
furnace room with huge arc furnaces. Certainly the ozone levels
were off the chart but he is in his mid 50's and is the picture of
health. In my case I'm not going to worry about it. If the cigs don't
kill me something else will and at this point I really don't give a
shit.
Well, that's one way to get a good suntan. However electric arc
furnaces don't generate as much ozone as you might suspect:
<http://www.diagnosisp.com/dp/journals/view_pdf.php?journal_id=1&archive=0&issue_id=3&article_id=65>
(I've only skimmed the article). It concludes:
- Human toxicity potential of electric arc furnace is
only 22% from that of cupola furnace;
- Electric arc furnace has no global warming potential;
My guess(tm) is that's because it's the UV that breaks the molecular
oxygen bonds. The UV is either submerged, or the atmosphere in the
electric arc furnace is lacking in sufficient oxygen to create an
ozone problem.
Also, I was the picture of health until I turned 52. Then, bad
genetics, youthful folly, battle damage, and bad luck all struck at
one time. The problem with healthy people is that they don't go
looking for problems. The typical medical checkup doesn't work.
Usually the doctor asks "Is anything wrong"? If the answer is
nothing, he just schedules another appointment for next year. No
tests are run, no diagnostics, no preventive medicine, no fishing
expedition, and certainly nothing that an insurance company would
disallow are performed. It's like electronics with the bulging
electrolytic capacitors. The device works just fine, until all the
caps short out. You could predict the failure by just opening the
case and looking for bulging capacitors, but who tears apart working
electronics looking for problems? (Hint: I do, sometimes).
The current high-fashion medical theory is that heredity and genetics
have a huge effect on ones susceptibility to a wide range of maladies
and diseases. One of the proposed applications of gene sequencing and
genetic testing is to determine whether someone is prone to everything
from hang nail to heart disease. One could be denied a job or
promotion on such a basis. The list of genetically testable potential
problems grows ever day. One result is that a group of normal
workers, exposed to various hazardous chemicals, such as ozone, might
have a wide range of possible long term reactions. The short term
reactions are probably uniform, but the long term exposure effects
probably varies substantially. Your brother in law might be one of
the lucky ones. (Choose your parents wisely). Natural selection also
works in the workplace. Those still working are the survivors. The
rest are dead, sick, or promoted to safer management positions.
In other words, don't assume that just because long term ozone
exposure hasn't affected your brother in law, that you're safe. If
your genetics is lacking, your could be at risk. It may be many years
before gene testing has progressed to the point where susceptibility
to chemical exposure can be predicted. Even so, I'm not sure any of
us really want to know if we're going to catch some disgusting disease
in the distant future.
As for cigarettes, my father's former partner incinerated several
packs per day of unfiltered cancer sticks all his life. He died at
age 78 from a fall. No heart, lung, or other problems. On the other
hand, my mother smoked all her life, tried to quit many times, and
died at age 52 from a heart attack. Which anecdote would you consider
appropriate? (Hint: I don't smoke).
My dad smoked on and off (more on than off) all his life. He would
quit when one of his friends died of cancer :) then start again. He
finally died in 2004 of stomach cancer but ten years earlier had
beaten colon cancer. I don't attribute those lymphomas to smoking but
rather to his love of nitrate/nitrite soaked ham/baked ham etc... I
try to stear away from that evil stuff when possible.
You just can't tell really, can you ? My dad also beat colon cancer, and
went on to die 13 years later of stomach cancer, and he never smoked a
single cigarette all his life. I can't think of any particular foods that he
was especially fond of either, which are known to have any carcinogenic
connections. In fact I would have said that overall, he ate fairly
healthily. I think in a lot of cases, you are just genetically predisposed
to these diseases.
Arfa
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