Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 is fact, not propaganda, Michael Moore says about his new film

From: Psalm 110 (Melchizedek_at_USA.com)
Date: 06/20/04 

Date: 19 Jun 2004 23:42:34 -0700

"James" <jrapier@dcr.net> wrote in message news:<Y95Bc.65376$bO6.18011@fe39.usenetserver.com>...

> > > Moore quotes people who he said he spoke with. Some have already said
> they
> > > never even spoke to him at all. Sounds more like a work of fiction
> sprinkled
> > > with a few facts and imagination. What a liar.
> >
> > Name names. Moore has lawyers already prepaid to sue them down to
> > their last penny for lying. Either name names or else admit YOU ARE A
> > LIAR.

> > Name them, or shut up. Liar!
>
> Here you go. Ol Mike is going to get his ass sued if he keeps this *** ip.

And when asked to produce any falsehoods in this movie you failed.
Moore didn't know what filthy liars republicans were back then when he
wrote his book -- He's much more careful to get it on tape now. That's
why you can't find a factual error to complain about in THE MOVIE
UNDER DISCUSSION THAT YOU ACCUSE OF LYING IN YOUR MESSAGE. As to
whether you or Fred Barnes have stopped having sex with your mother's
or not, that is not related to the movie being discussed. That's
between you and your (ugh) mothers.

I really don't care if Barnes read the Illiad, or whether Moore caught
him off guard and he couldn't think for a moment. That is the most
insignificant trivia. Come to think of it, I can't remember why Barnes
is importan enough to be mentioned in a book -- exactly what are his
accomplishments in life?

> Michael Moore and Me
> From the May 31, 2004 issue: An encounter with the Cannes man.
> by Fred Barnes
> 05/31/2004, Volume 009, Issue 36
>
>
> A FEW YEARS AGO Michael Moore, who's now promoting an
> anti-President Bush movie entitled Fahrenheit 9/11, announced he'd gotten
> the goods on me, indeed hung me out to dry on my own words. It was in his
> first bestselling book, Stupid White Men. Moore wrote he'd once been
> "forced" to listen to my comments on a TV chat show, The McLaughlin Group. I
> had whined "on and on about the sorry state of American education," Moore
> said, and wound up by bellowing: "These kids don't even know what The Iliad
> and The Odyssey are!"
>
> Moore's interest was piqued, so the next day he said he called
> me. "Fred," he quoted himself as saying, "tell me what The Iliad and The
> Odyssey are." I started "hemming and hawing," Moore wrote. And then I said,
> according to Moore: "Well, they're . . . uh . . . you know . . . uh . . .
> okay, fine, you got me--I don't know what they're about. Happy now?" He'd
> smoked me out as a fraud, or maybe worse.
>
> The only problem is none of this is true. It never happened.
> Moore is a liar. He made it up. It's a fabrication on two levels. One, I've
> never met Moore or even talked to him on the phone. And, two, I read both
> The Iliad and The Odyssey in my first year at the University of Virginia.
> Just for the record, I'd learned what they were about even before college.
> Like everyone else my age, I got my classical education from the big screen.
> I saw the Iliad movie called Helen of Troy and while I forget the name of
> the Odyssey film, I think it starred Kirk Douglas as Odysseus.
>
> So why didn't I scream bloody murder when the book came out in
> 2001? I didn't learn about the phony anecdote until it was brought to my
> attention by Alan Wolfe, who was reviewing Moore's book for the New
> Republic. He asked, by email, if the story were true. I said no, not a word
> of it, and Wolfe quoted me as saying that. That was enough, I thought. After
> all, who would take a shrill, lying lefty like Moore seriously?
>
> More people than I thought. Moore's new movie attacking Bush was
> given a 20-minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival. Moore has
> described the movie as breaking new ground and revealing new facts, but the
> accounts by reviewers suggest it merely provides the standard left-wing,
> conspiratorial critique of the president. Reviewer Lou Lumenick of the New
> York Post, who gave Moore's previous movie Bowling for Columbine four stars,
> said the anti-Bush film would be news only "if you spent the last three
> years hiding in a cave in Afghanistan." Still, I suppose it's not surprising
> they loved it in France.
>
> In publicizing the movie, Moore has been up to his old dishonest
> tricks. Just before the screening at Cannes, he charged that Disney had told
> him "officially" the day before that it would not distribute Fahrenheit
> 9/11. Moore said this was an attempt to kill the film. He indicated a
> newspaper article had the correct explanation of Disney's decision:
> "According to today's New York Times, it might 'endanger' millions of
> dollars of tax breaks Disney receives from the state of Florida because the
> film will 'anger' the governor of Florida, Jeb Bush."
>
> Later, in a CNN interview, Moore admitted he'd learned nearly a
> year ago that Disney would not distribute the movie. By pretending he'd just
> gotten word of this, Moore was involved in a cheap publicity stunt. And it
> wasn't the New York Times that said, on its own, that Disney feared losing
> tax breaks. It was Moore's agent who was quoted as saying that in the Times.
> Disney denied its president Michael Eisner had told the agent of any such
> fear. "We informed both the agency that represented the film and all of our
> companies that we just didn't want to be in the middle of a politically
> oriented film during an election year," Eisner told ABC News.
>
> Where does this leave us? I think it's time for Moore to be held
> accountable. In Stupid White Men, he has 18 pages of "Notes and Sources,"
> but he offers no evidence for the sham interview with me--no date, no
> transcript. How could he, since the interview never happened?
>
> I have just the person to look into Moore's lies and
> distortions. Al Franken has taken special interest in public liars, writing
> a bestseller called Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. Al, the Moore
> case is now in your court.
>
>
> Fred Barnes is executive editor of The Weekly Standard.

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