Re: Another Stanley Meyer Type Scam (was: Water-fueled car, in public domain, by 2005, sez Earth2012.org)

From: Harry Conover (hhc314_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/20/04 

Date: 20 Jul 2004 05:05:55 -0700

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com (If I told U I'd have 2 kill U) wrote in message news:<36caa37d.0407192254.880f2d4@posting.google.com>...
> hhc314@yahoo.com (Harry Conover) wrote in message news:<7ce4e226.0407181332.5b3f3186@posting.google.com>...
> > murin@notin.notout.edu (The Murinator) wrote in message news:<40fa66af.36934280@netnews.att.net>...
> > > "£1 million funding required"
> > >
> > > It kinda makes you wonder how much these guys will rake in with this
> > > scam before they either are prosecuted or simply disappear.
> > >
> >
> > One can only hope that they will be captured and prosecuted before they disappear!
> >
> > Harry C.
>
> Harry H Conover wrote:
> >
> > Michael Hannon (ohannon@mailroom.worldnet.att.net) wrote:
> > : Harry H Conover wrote:
> > : > : >
> > : > :
> > : > : Hey, Harry - how was it that you said the Meyer cell rapidly
> > : > : electrolyzes that pure water, with no electrolytes in it,
> > : >
> > : > Actually, I didn't. I only posted that all Meyer's accplishes is
> > : > simple electrolysis (which functions in accordance with Faraday's
> > : > Law).
> > : >
> > : Meyer's cell consumes insufficient current to do it, Harry. You read the
> > : patent, and the witnesses noted (with comments) aren't exactly your
> > : inferiors, of "pedestrian intellect," are they?
> >
> > Yes, I read the patent. It's silly! I have not ideas what
> > qualifications, if any, the witnesses you describe have in experimental
> > science. (You post lacks sufficient detail in this connection.)
> > Therefore, I can neither judge their competency in rewiewing Meyer's
> > work or the significance of their observations. Without this, their
> > opinions are meaningless.
> >
> Fascinating, Mr. Conover, and a veritable fount of objective scientific
> analysis of circuitry you obviously don't get, just like the
> "power-on-demand module" you implied was nothing but a power factor
> corrector, end then avoided any further discussion, for the same reason
> you're avoiding that about the contents of the Meyer cell's circuitry -
> you can't figure it out, so that makes it "silly," in your form of
> "scientific jargon."
> > :
> > : > I believe that it was you that make the extraordinary performance
> > : > claims for the Meyers device.
> > : >
> > : No, the noted witnesses do, as well as H2OPWRD and I.
> >
> > What are your qualifications and competency to observe and comment
> > on the results obtained by Meyer's demonstrations? Are these claims
> > based upon more than personal opinions of questionable significance
> > and accuracy?
> >
> I would say, by reading the quality of your post here, that they are
> more qualified than yourself, who can't even figure out the circuit
> function.
> And you talk about the questionable significance and accuracy od the
> noted eyewitnesses? At least I understand the function of the circuitry,
> Mr. Conover, and your comments about it being difficult to replicate is
> hogwash. It is basically nothing but the voltage-multiplied full wave
> rectified sine output of a function generator gated through an
> electronic switch (scr, switching transistor, or module), fired into a
> L/C (the C being the water cell itself) tank circuit, protected by a
> current sensing switch.
> >
> :
> > : > : on very low
> > : > : current - I mean, according to your thermodynamics laws?
> > : >
> > : > Meyer's device will performan in accordance with Faraday's Laws
> > : > of electrolysis (as described most chemistry and physical chemistry
> > : > texts published over the last 100 years or so.) Does this answer
> > : > your question?
> > : >
> > :
> > : Oh, really? And how do you predict that?
> >
> > Examination of his patent reveals it to use a pulsed, relatively
> > high impedance voltage source connected to electrodes immersed in
> > impure water. The high impedance of his power supply limits
> > electrolysis current -- as a result of the limited
> > current, a relatively long time will be required for each
> > Coulomb of electricity to pass through the cell (each Coulomb
> > of electricity liberates a mole equivalent of hydrogen).
> > I would describe this as limited performance due to the use of
> > a far less than optimal power source.
> >
> Of course, according to Mr. Conover here, it couldn't be anything but an
> electrolysis circuit, which it obviously is NOT, but Mr. Conover is
> unable to acknowledge anything but electrolysis as the means and method
> here, because HE IS GOD, and GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING. The possibility that
> a method other than electrolysis is being used to separate the water
> into H and O CANNOT EXIST IN THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE, BECAUSE HARRY SAYS
> SO, and HE IS GOD, despite the fact that other known water separation
> methods have already been discovered (the only one Harry know about is
> electrolysis, so that's all there ever can be).
>
> > If demonstrations of this device produce large volumes of gaseous
> > output, I would look for trickery, since the physics and chemistry
> > of the device's design clearly preclude performance as described.
> > (For it to operate, the device must violate both Faraday's Law
> > of electrolysis AND the conservation of energy.)
> >
>
> Rather than try to observe, note, and analyze all possibilities and
> variables, and objectively and impartially share in even the possibility
> of discovery of new methodology, Mr. Conover chooses to "look for
> trickery," ignoring the fact that at least two other people, one of
> which also has a patent for non-electrolytic water separation, have
> separated water without electrolysis, and even further means of
> non-organic water separation have been found, outside of theirs. But
> Harry cannot acknowledge such means, because they cannot exist in his
> brain, or in his negation of any other means than electrolysis to
> separate water.
>
> Then there is the following:
>
> Gary L. Johnson,, Kansas State University, in his report
> titled "Electrically Induced Explosions in Water" discovered that
> the loudness of the explosion increased as the voltage increased
> and the volume of the water decreased. Roy Azevedo, Peter
> Graneau and Charles Millet of Northeastern University and Neal
> Graneau of King's College London, in their report titled "Powerful
> Water-Plasma Explosions", confirmed similar results in using
> pulse-voltage (30 to 40 kilovolt range) to instantly convert water
> to thermal explosive energy. They also discovered that the thermal
> output of these water explosions was negligible, strongly implying that
> the explosions were not generated by that water turning to steam, and
> that
> the lower the impurities and electrolytes in the water, the higher the
> explosion.
>
> I have read the Johnson experiments report - the results there
> contradict Mr. Conover's personal physics as well, but they're just more
> of the what Harry calls the "pedestrian intellect" that populates a part
> of science he signifies as "intellectually impaired."
>
> Gary L. Johnson, by the way, is an IEEE senior member, Department of
> Electrical and Computer Engineering at Kansas State University.
>
> > (balance of verbose Hannon blathering a repeated quotes deleted).
> >
> More relegation of cited witnesses to the waste bin.
>
> OHannon
>

One would have believed that OHannon, by reaching his current age,
would have outgrown his belief in these naive, childish, and
unscientific fantasies like Stan Meyer's WFC scam!

What's next? Will the "Sock Puppet" make a sudden reappearance on this
newsgroup?

                                                    Harry C.

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