Re: Attention Bush fans ~ Bush says global warming is real

From: Major Zoloft (MJZoloft_at_Kabul.gov)
Date: 08/29/04 

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:56:59 -0400

Speaking of luddites!

So now the whole issue of global warming is a communist conspiracy?
Sounds like the neo-conservatives now running the White house.

No one is suggesting draconian measures as you suggest. But not to
engage other nations in conservation/sustainability measures is to
ignore the entire issue.

Asian turds? The last time I looked, the U.S. led all nations in per
capita emission of greenhouse gases. When I say "we are accelerating it"
it is the collective "we" of humankind. I'm not laying it on the U.S.

I won't even bother to respond to the remainder of your asinine remarks.

Reuben Hick wrote:
> "Major Zoloft" <MJZoloft@Kabul.gov> wrote in message
> news:412FCB78.6060700@Kabul.gov...
>
>>It sure has. But it appears we are accelerating it.
>
>
> "It sure has".... According to some computer models that only consider
> certain criteria (like ignoring ocean temps). The thing is, that this
> so-called "global warming" is the threat du jour, closely following on the
> heals of the "global cooling" scare tactic used by neo-luddites a
> half-generation ago. These hacks who want to return to days of caves and
> foraging are jealous of people who are prosperous, and so they want to level
> the playing field so that everyone sits around nude starving in the dust.
>
> "...we are accelerating it..." Is a total lie and fabrication. Who is
> this "we"? Sheep in New Zealand who emit tons of methane gas annually?
> How about the billion or so people residing in and around Asia who still
> burn turds and moss for cooking their food and heating their huts? Want to
> lay a little blame on them?
>
> And what do you mean by "accelerating it?" To accelerate something, isn't
> the speed supposed to be constant and known? How does one know that they
> are accelerating something as difficult to understand as global climate? I
> can't even get a reliable weather forecast to let me know if it is going to
> rain tomorrow or not, but these same people can tell with absolute certainty
> that my backyard barbeque is going to cause flooding in New York two
> thousand years from now.
>
> Of course, mankind is supposed to be mightier than the sun. We have these
> communists disguised as "environmentalists" telling us that the entire
> planet can be powered by solar panels, yet there isn't enough fossil fuels
> to power civilization. So since they claim the sun is so powerful, how is
> it that these fossil fuels can overshadow the power of the sun? Utter
> foolishness by the communists. And since these communists have proven time
> and time again that their economics and sociology is an utter disaster, what
> makes us think that they have a better chance at predicing the weather
> centuries from now? And even so, why would we trust these failures with
> the next grand idea that just happens to follow in the exact same footprints
> of command and control that their economic and social ideas tread?
>
> Is the solution to every problem, real or imagined more tyranny and
> oppression?
>
> How can anyone sleep at night being that incredibly stupid and naive?
>
>
>>But whether we are, why take the chance of creating a terrible legacy?
>
>
> Because your solutions are basically: exterminate the human race (except
> you and your fellow travellers of course), and enter into a land of
> make-believe where nutritious crops of all varieties automagically appear
> prepared at your front door, there is no waste or sanitary conditions, all
> disease is cured, things never wear out or need replacement, and the few
> remaining souls wander around aimlessly in this garden playing harps (since
> they have exterminated all of those greedy entertainers)
>
>
>>Some restrain in energy use and modest sustainability efforts can help
>
>
> Great, then perhaps you can lead by example and promise to never purchase a
> manufactured good, never eat food that wasn't hand grown, picked, processed
> and delivered to your door without aid of any mechanical device, and live
> out doors under the weather since you shouldn't be needing electricity, air
> conditioning or any other product of modern civilization.
>
> Let us know how things are going. - DOH! I forgot! We would never find
> out because you wouldn't spoil the environment by using a computer, internet
> or usenet.
>
>
>>ameliorate the growth in CO2 in the atmosphere.
>
>
> Now what make CO2 the bogeyman? Don't the luscious "rain forests" need
> CO2 in order to thrive and survive? With population expanding, and with you
> neoluddites screaming in protest against any encroachment on the wild by
> humans, we need to grow more food on less ariable land. CO2 is our friend
> here letting crops grow faster, bigger and more fruitful with increased
> levels of CO2. In fact, if the lies you are telling had any possibility of
> happening (pure coincidence, not Cause & Effect) wouldn't those attributes
> make currently hostile environments like northern Canada be the next great
> place to grow the world's food?
>
> And while we are at it, if there should be any "we" who needs to cut-back it
> should be those who contribute little to nothing to society here and around
> the globe. The populations and energy needs of emerging industrial
> societies like India and China are exploding. India and China have done
> little to nothing for the world other that to provide slave labor and a
> place for industry that satisfies our burgeoning domestic NIMBY population.
> On the other hand the US and a handful of western nations pretty much keep
> the gears of freedom, liberty, justice spinning; also provides the world
> with food and medical relief; and keeps the tyrants, dictators, war lords
> and other bad people at bay.
>
> Who has China helped recently? Oh, they are too busy menacing Taiwan and
> invading Tibet.
> Who would miss Iran other than people like you who cheer for those who
> savagedly attack modernity?
> Why we could decimate all of India and cheers would be heard by IT people
> the world over.
> Set loose a black plague on Africa and get rid of a whole nation of beggars
> and Olympic marathoners.
>
> Actually, you watermelons are doing a fine job killing over a half million
> people each year from the science-less ban on DDT. And by crippling the
> west it makes it more difficult to pony up the billions of dollars needed to
> fight starvation and disease in hundreds of other nations. So I think I
> understand why your hatred for modern industry is so apparent. You say
> nothing about China because you like what they are doing - spreading
> communism and tyranny to neigboring countries. You hate the West because
> it stands against your misanthropic aims to shorten lives and make what is
> left miserable.
>
> And since no sane person would willingly degrade their lifestyle so that you
> don't look so much like a loser in comparison, you hide it behind this
> pseudo moral claim that cooking food and driving to work is somehow the
> cause of planetary destruction.
>
> It would be an interesting thing to note your reaction to what modern
> industry has put into the air relative to the Krakatau and Taupo volcanic
> eruptions. You folks talk about global climate change due to a few too
> many lawn mowers running, what do you think caused the "Year of No Summer"
> in 1816? It wasn't man, it was probably Maon, Luzon and Tamora volcanic
> eruptions (1814,1815) What is the "Year with no Winter"?
>
>
>

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