Re: Attention Bush fans ~ Bush says global warming is real
From: Major Zoloft (MJZoloft_at_Kabul.gov)
Date: 09/02/04
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:11:30 -0400
When was any serious "global cooling" theory proposed? I must have
missed that.
Forty years ago (or longer) the concern of which way the climate might
turn began to be considered. Increases in CO2 concentrations in the
atmosphere were known but it was not at all clear what changes, if any,
this would bring. It's really only over that last 15 years that the
science has pointed to a true warming trend. Visit EPA's WWW site for
the US climate science FAQ. Surely this administration would not lie to
us? Would it?
You rant and rave about nazi environmentalists. If you go back and look
at much of the environmental legislation and when it was passed, you
will find much of it came in Republican (read typically conservative)
administrations. The original Clean Air Act and EPA were spawned by
Nixon. Regan presided over some serious environmental statutes and
implementing regulations. The senior Shrub gave us the acid rain
legislation that was market based and that has worked pretty well.
Dubya has been a real departure from that tradition. He'd like us to
have more arsenic in our drinking water and more mercury in our air.
Reuben Hick wrote:
> "Major Zoloft" <MJZoloft@Kabul.gov> wrote in message
> news:4131540B.9000605@Kabul.gov...
>
>>Speaking of luddites!
>>
>>So now the whole issue of global warming is a communist conspiracy?
>
>
> Always has been. The "solution" just needed a problem. You folks wanted to
> enact the exact same sort of controls on all of western civilization,
> through the fiction of "global cooling". Yet when that failed to pan out,
> you folks swung the opposite direction and screamed "The sky is falling!"
> based on the fact that the summer was a little bit hotter than last year in
> a certain location.
>
>
>>Sounds like the neo-conservatives now running the White house.
>
> That statement is so stupid that it only serves to show that your entire
> thought process is corrupted.
>
>
>>No one is suggesting draconian measures as you suggest.
>
>
> That too is a crock of $#!+. You need to look a little closer at the
> spoiled Kyoto agreements. You say that it can't be a communist conspiracy
> (whether it is a bona fide conspiracy or not is immaterial, this scheme was
> hatched out of the communist ideology) yet why is it that every communist
> nation was exempt from the controls and the ones hardest hit were those with
> predominantely free market economies?
>
> Have you read your messiah's book "Earth in the Balance"? Gore advocated
> banning the internal combustion engine. That isn't draconian? Zero
> Population Growth (ZPG) and her friends like Ted Turner propose that the
> ideal population of the earth is somewhere well under one billion people?
> Gee, how do you get there from here - draconian measures, perhaps?
>
> Also another great plan of the communists is to destroy the freedom loving
> culture by polluting the nation with worthless people who serve only to
> bankrupt its treasury, devolve its culture, and exacerbate crime. This is
> the seed of revolution and has been practiced for generations.
>
> In history, great leaders who sacked and looted neighboring nations, if they
> took slaves, those brought back were artisians and tradesmen. The
> worthless peasants and the unskilled were slaughtered or left behind to die.
> They knew that to flood society with needy people was to soon bring
> insurrection as their numbers grow.
>
> This explains exactly why you subversives scream and yell about my late
> model car that puts out far less pollution than the average lawn mower, but
> say absolutely nothing about the tens of millions of illegal aliens from
> around the world that drive beat-up gasoline guzzling, pollution spewing
> trucks and vans that make Walmart parking lots look like the championship
> venue of the The Exxon Valdez Demolition Derby. My scratch of land that I
> maintain and keep in good aesthetic order offends you to no end, yet the
> clown house that is in desperate need of repair escapes your attention. The
> piles of fetid garbage, the dirt that once represented a lawn, and the
> stressed sewer systems are your idea of Utopia?
>
> Nuclear power unfortunately "solves" all of the problems you neo-luddites
> claim exist, yet this clean, safe and cost effective power is OK for
> communist North Korea and communist China but is evil and forbidden in the
> US. There are many on your side of the ideological aisle that want to
> destroy many of the US's hydroelectric power plants (yet another clean,
> safe, and effective power source) because they claim that some sort of
> revered salmon can't navigate up the fish ladders to spawn. But look no
> further to communist China where not a word but praise is spoken of the
> Three Gorges River project that has already brought unprecedented levels of
> ecological destruction.
>
>
>>But not to
>>engage other nations in conservation/sustainability measures is to
>>ignore the entire issue.
>
>
> Ignoring non-issues is generally a good idea. There is this thing about
> setting priorites. Trying to fix non-problems or spending billions of
> dollars and imposing all kinds of totalitarian measures in attempt to "fix"
> the unfixable is folly to us, but is spiritual doctrine to you who hate
> freedom
>
>
>>Asian turds? The last time I looked, the U.S. led all nations in per
>>capita emission of greenhouse gases.
>
>
> Once again you can't help but bite the hand that feeds the world. Why do
> you hate people so much?
> General Motors emits more greenhouse gasses than I do. But GM also is the
> largest producer of cars and truck.
>
> The United States may produce more "greenhouse gases" (yet another bogus
> "crime" since "greenhouse gasses" are a subjective list of products
> deliberately selected to scare people and indict the west) per capita, but
> the US also pollutes far less per GNP. What liars like you are saying is
> that it is perfectly OK for places like China to put tons and tons of
> "greenhouse gasses" into the air, just as long as at the end of the day,
> they are slightly less than the US. If the US puts out 'X' amounts of
> "greenhouse gasses" for each widget, it is perfectly OK for communist China
> to put out '2X' levels of the same gasses for each widget just as long as
> the US puts out more than twice the widgets of China.
>
> The US is far cleaner than other industrialized nations when it comes to
> pollution per output. But you hate prosperity, and thus lie to everyone by
> making it appear somehow evil that the US not only leads the world in
> industrial production but deliberately fail to mention that the US is more
> efficient and produces less pollution to do it.
>
> I can't fathom why anyone would deliberately lie like that unless it is true
> that you hate the environment and hate freedom, since the US is cleaner and
> more efficient. I would think that a true environmentalist would praise
> the US for being so fastidious.
>
> BTW, I haven't heard one bitch and complaint about our neighbors in Mexico
> who couldn't, even if they tried, to match the US in pollution controls. If
> you are so worried about the environment why do you attack the leader in
> clean industry?
>
>
>
>>When I say "we are accelerating it"
>>it is the collective "we" of humankind. I'm not laying it on the U.S.
>
>
> That is pure Bravo-Sierra. You hate America because you point the blame
> only at the West.
>
>
>>I won't even bother to respond to the remainder of your asinine remarks.
>
>
> Because you can't. Truth always prevails over lies. That leaves you
> only with bitterness and insults.
>
>
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