Re: Viable hydrogen vehicle by 2010

From: Don Lancaster (don_at_tinaja.com)
Date: 09/24/04 

Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 06:30:29 -0700

Tkalbfus1 wrote:
>
> >Shifting the cost of something to the government doesn't reduce the
> >cost. In most cases, there's a premium to be paid in having the
> >government handle it.
> >
>
> But it does make the cost more bearable. A hydrogen subsidy can be paid for by
> a progressive income tax that puts more burden on the wealthy than on the
> Middle and lower classes. I would consider it part of the defense budget.
>
> >So, to ask the government to solve our energy problem by subsidizing
> >uneconomic processes is worse than doing nothing. It perpetuates
> >patterns of abuse that waste resources the market would otherwise put
> >to better use. The recent history of coal conversion is a good
> >example of this;
> >
>
> The government can plan ahead, the market cannot. Energy is a strategic
> resource, and it would not do to have a foreign power sudenly cut it off and
> disrupt our economy. I think its worth a higher price for converting to
> hydrogen if we can preclude this from happening. You want another example: the
> government now routinely buys extra doses of vaccines causing drug companies to
> manufacture more than what they perceive is needed for the next flu season,
> this is an insurance policy to guard against the possibility than more vaccine
> may be needed than the drug companies anticipated. You see, drug companies have
> an incentive to keep the vaccine supply tight, if they produce too much vaccine
> for a given year, they won't sell it all and they'll lose money. The extra
> vaccine won't be good next year as the flu virus would have mutated by then, so
> drug companies try to come close to the mark and err on the side of vaccine
> shortages rather than over supply. Since the government has an interest in
> preventing vaccine shortages, it deliberately buys too much to guard against a
> vaccine shortage. Most years this is a waste of money, but you don't know its a
> waste of money until the flu season is over with, but sometimes the drug
> companies underestimate next years need and the government's wasteful
> expendituren actually saves lives by preventing vaccine shortages.
>
> A similar role can be envisioned for government to prevent gasoline shortages,
> both accidental and deliberate.

Total and utter horse***.

Which subsidy model do you prefer...

        

December 10, 2003

          There seem to be hoards of thermodynamically challenged
epsilon
          minuses out there calling for government subsidies to "force"
the
          thermo and engineering economics fundamental violations needed
          for the "hydrogen economy".

          Next time you run into one of these turkeys, ask them WHICH
type
          of subsidy they prefer...

              (A) The CALIFORNIA model in which virtually all of the pv
                     paybacks went into boiler shop scams that set pv
back by
                      many decades.

             (B) The ARIZONA model in which you were given a free large
                      SUV for an unconnected one gallon tank.

             (C) The MIDWEST model where a monumental energy sink was
                      cleverly disguised as a twelve billion dollar vote
                      buying scam.

             (D) The SOUTH CAROLINA model where they added a five ton
                      evaporative cooler to get their 3 ton but
nonworking solar
                      adsorption cooler to look good.

             (E) The DETROIT model where their bus demos are trucking
                      hydrogen in from Pittsburgh,

          Or, of course...

             (F) The BRAZIL model that nearly bankrupted the entire
country
                     over monumental ethanol stupidity.

          The best possible way for alternate energy to succeed is if
the Feds
          GET AND STAY OUT OF THE WAY!

          More in HTTP:/WWW.TINAJA.COM/GLIB/ENERGFUN.PDF 

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Don Lancaster
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