Re: Meyer Circuit Experiment
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Date: 10/08/04
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Date: 7 Oct 2004 19:16:37 -0700
"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in message news:<xyX8d.7544$nj.2387@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>...
> "Kirk Hemelberg @sover.net>" <kirkh<remove_this> wrote in message
> news:vVV8d.2725$Pd2.993681@monger.newsread.com...
> > Hi Fellow Hydrogen Fuel Fans,
> >
> > Check out this site: http://www.xogen.ca/ The Canadian group is trying to
> > market a Hydrogen-Oxygen fuel cell device with a COP > 1.
> >
> > Their video presentation is impressive, but then so are Hollywood stunts.
> > The Xogen fuel cell is based on patents issued to Meyers, Chambers and
> > Freedman.
> > Xogen is a Canadian company and privately owned at this time. They do,
> > however, have an investment company that owns %20 of the company. The
> > Canadian investment company trades on the Canadian stock market under the
> > symbol THCUF. THCUF's stock value has been higher $1.89 per share, now just
> > $.22.
>
> That is STOCK PRICE, not 'value.' Company information seems sparse, nothing I
> found about the P/E, or Capital values of the company. No broker will allow
> you to buy it on Margin, and Canada is a chancy place to invest. BE very
> Careful!
>
> The web site is down, reportedly a common condition.
>
> Also from: http://www.phact.org/e/z/xogen/
>
> My name is Rauli. After hearing about Xogens 'revolutionary' breakthrough in
> hydrogen and oxygen generation I decided to try and replicate the (now probably
> bullshit) claims by Stephen Chambers.
Why?
Becsuse you failed?
>Basically he reckons you can
> disassociate water by pulsing a square wave of 12 to 110volts into closely
> spaced electrodes immersed in plain tap water.
That is what Meyer's "Electrical Polarization Process" does.
NO electrolyte.
Tap water.
High frquency pulsed voltage with amp restriction breaks the bond like
a melted rubber band.
>My hours of fiddling with all
> possible aspects to get that mass production of hydrogen and oxygen resulted
> in - NOTHING.
Did you do this?
By the way. If you like to do some experiment, try this.
AT FIRST:
You must know the difference between a chemical reaction and a
nuclear reaction. A lot of people don't understand that but they like
to argue a lot in every NG on Internet.
In a chemical reaction you need a lot of current and some salt for
making the water conductive.
In a nuclear reaction you don't need any current at all, only high
voltage. How much current you need in a real application depends
on how clean your water is. As cleaner as better.
Stanley Meyers method's have NOTHING to do with chemical
reactions.
HOW TO?
As a guide, you need US Patent 4,936,961 ref. figure 1 to 3F.
If you read something about magical frequencyis, forget that.
It works fine with 10KHz or something else if you preferred.
Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency will be doubled in the
step up circuit and that's the frequency the Water-Cell will work
with. The components must resist at least 2000V.
The Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes
with the inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer
diameter of the inner tube. From now you must look at this
Water-Cell as a capacitor with water as dilectricum.
The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate at a specific
frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.
Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and
the doubled frequency from the generator must be exactly the
same. A special condition exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is
energized at a frequency at which the inductive reactance is equal
to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC.
Adjust the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen
producing with a minimum of current using. If you earlier make
hydrogen with the electrolysis method with a lot of current,
this experiment will really surprise you.
For even less current you can make some experiment with a
centertapped puls-transformer.
Have a nice trip to Ohio!
Ted!
>Either I missed something or the patent is incomplete.
One of his patents has a blank space where a frequency is mention.
I think it's funny that he gave a hint by leaving it blank and the
patent examiners let it go through like that.
He basically had to tell them and show you that it isn't about a key
frequency.
It's about mating the inductance and capcitance in a circuit of any
size.
If you make a cell with more steel it will require a diferent
inductance to match and tune the cell.
Meyer called it "Molecular ringing."
"In the beginning was the Word."
Q: What IS the word?
A: Sound.
>This
> exercise cost me about AUS$100, hours of frustration and in general was the
> biggest waste of time ever in my life so the lesson here is don't bother with
> this crap its not worth anything.
>
"If at first you do not succeed....."
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