Re: hooo boy...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:05:30 -0400, "G. R. L. Cowan" <gcowan@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>The Phantom wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:10:14 -0700, Don Lancaster <don@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >BobG wrote:
>> >> Come on Paul... You and Don talk in a very dense code... fill me in...
>> >> this is bogus because its a rehash of Brown's Gas? Some guy won a
>> >> Darwin award for blowing is britches off with a batch of Brown's Gas?
>> >> If this is an elaborate charade, it seems pretty well done at first
>> >> glance.
>> >>
>> >
>> >It ain't even close.
>> >
>> >Even at a casual glance, to me the site immediately raises fundamental
>> >thermodynamic violation and similar questions. I would strongly expect
>> >the same reaction from anyone else reasonably trained in science,
>> >chemistry, or engineering.
>> >
>> >It is exceptionally easy to mismeasure hydrogen temperatures because the
>> >emissivity lies primarily in the ultraviolet rather than the infrared.
>> >
>> >The claimed 10,000 degree temperatures would seem exceptionally unlikely
>> >to me. Similar claims were also a mainstay of the previous Brown's Gas
>> >bogosity.
>>
>> I notice that it's 10000 degrees *fahrenheit* that they claim. A
>> person could show up at one of their weekly demonstrations with a
>> piece of tungsten and see if they can melt it.
>
>Tungsten is easy to oxidize. A thoria lamp mantle,
>if you can find one, would be a better test.

According to the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, thorium oxide
melts at 3050 centigrade, within the capability of oxyacetylene. So
melting of a thoria mantle wouldn't prove that their torch is any
hotter than oxyacetylene.

What we need is something that doesn't oxidize at white heat, and
has a melting point higher than an oxyacetylene torch can provide. A
cursory search in the handbook doesn't turn up any oxides of higher
melting point than thoria, so what could be used?


>
>
>--- Graham Cowan, former hydrogen fan
>http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html --
>boron as energy carrier: real-car range, nuclear cachet

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  • Re: hooo boy...
    ... within the capability of oxyacetylene. ... >> has a melting point higher than an oxyacetylene torch can provide. ... >> cursory search in the handbook doesn't turn up any oxides of higher ... oxyacetylene couldn't melt, and that wouldn't oxidize or decompose, ...
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  • Re: hooo boy...
    ... So melting of a thoria mantle wouldn't prove that their torch is any hotter than oxyacetylene. ... oxyacetylene couldn't melt, and that wouldn't oxidize or decompose, ...
    (sci.energy.hydrogen)