Re: hooo boy...

The Phantom wrote:
>
> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:03:59 -0400, "G. R. L. Cowan" <gcowan@xxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> >The Phantom wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:05:30 -0400, "G. R. L. Cowan" <gcowan@xxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Phantom wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:10:14 -0700, Don Lancaster <don@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >BobG wrote:
> >> >> >> Come on Paul... You and Don talk in a very dense code... fill me in...
> >> >> >> this is bogus because its a rehash of Brown's Gas? Some guy won a
> >> >> >> Darwin award for blowing is britches off with a batch of Brown's Gas?
> >> >> >> If this is an elaborate charade, it seems pretty well done at first
> >> >> >> glance.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It ain't even close.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Even at a casual glance, to me the site immediately raises fundamental
> >> >> >thermodynamic violation and similar questions. I would strongly expect
> >> >> >the same reaction from anyone else reasonably trained in science,
> >> >> >chemistry, or engineering.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It is exceptionally easy to mismeasure hydrogen temperatures because the
> >> >> >emissivity lies primarily in the ultraviolet rather than the infrared.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The claimed 10,000 degree temperatures would seem exceptionally unlikely
> >> >> >to me. Similar claims were also a mainstay of the previous Brown's Gas
> >> >> >bogosity.
> >> >>
> >> >> I notice that it's 10000 degrees *fahrenheit* that they claim. A
> >> >> person could show up at one of their weekly demonstrations with a
> >> >> piece of tungsten and see if they can melt it.
> >> >
> >> >Tungsten is easy to oxidize. A thoria lamp mantle,
> >> >if you can find one, would be a better test.
> >>
> >> According to the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, thorium oxide
> >> melts at 3050 centigrade, within the capability of oxyacetylene. So
> >> melting of a thoria mantle wouldn't prove that their torch is any
> >> hotter than oxyacetylene.
> >
> >But in the very likely event that their torch
> >is significantly cooler than an oxyhydrogen torch
> >due to their mixture's large water vapour content,
> >the mantle will just light up the way it's designed to,
> >and not melt.
>
> Therefore, either way, a thoria lamp mantle isn't a very good test
> of their clamis.

It would definitely refute either a 10,000-Fahrenheit (5800-K)
temperature claim, or a tungsten-melting one.


--- Graham Cowan, former hydrogen fan
http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html --
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