Re: Do water hydrogen powered engine concept really work ?
- From: Don Lancaster <don@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:54:57 -0700
Anonymous wrote:
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:50:12 -0700, Don Lancaster wrote:
How do you know absolutely and positively that the benefits of that interaction with the gasoline or diesel are nullified by the energy expended in freeing the hydrogen from the water?
The laws of thermodynamics absolutely and positively guarantee this.
It is not even remotely close. Not by a country mile.
Detailed analysis at http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu05.asp
One key problem is that only homeopathic quantities of hydrogen can be produced with an unmodified belt and alternator system.
But the crucial gotcha is the staggering loss of exergy that electrolysis inherently forces. See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf and http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf
Naturally, stainless steel or nickel are unacceptable as electrodes because of their hydrogen overvoltage. Platinized platinum must be used.
All of which, of course, is BEFORE amortization.
"The cost of such a system has to be amortized over its benefits.
If 48 cents per mile is taken as a vehicle operating cost (the
new tax guideline), then a two percent improvement cannot cost
more than a penny per mile. At 15,000 miles per year and three
year payback at ten percent interest, the fully installed system
cost and its maintainence cannot exceed a tiny fraction of $387.52
total. Otherwise, there are no positive benefits."Thus, you wouldn't want to pay more than, say $39 for the device and its installation. Assuming labor costs half, say $19 for the device. The manufacturing cost cannot exceed one-sixth of this, or around $2.99.
A three dollar electrolysizer ain't gonna happen.
-- Many thanks,
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