Re: hydrogen myths

In the case of Hydrogen the idea is to get it from H2O using a very high
frequency
and possible without a tank to store it.

The induction coupling of water is basically what microwave oven does. If we
can tune the frequency to bring hydrogen to plasma we have a system.
Basically it works when we can plate the plasma to a substrate as in the
plasmionic deposition in the manufacturing of photovoltaics. But we haven't
figured out how to plate Hydrogen.
http://raenergy.igc.org/heltank.html#induction

Then there is Brown's gas which keeps the oxygen and Hydrogen in a
compressed tank.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYA,GWYA:2005-04,GWYA:en&q=Brown%27s+gas

As for our Attack Jackals they just can't see the Solar budget seriousness.
We can not burn the planet to heat it _ burning the furniture to heat the
house :) Hydrogen is something that has to be made to work. it is not an
economics exercise it is amoral one.

"Est" <ern2003@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:43ca0903@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> This news group is about hydrogen energy.
> In general people don't try to offend you.
> To be able to have a better world we need to find a way to stop using
> fosil fuels. The new trend indicate that we need to have new concept in
> relation
> to energy and where it will come from.
> One demostrated theory has to do with the idea that space is not empty. So
> the energy
> will posible come from that aparent emtyness.
> In the case of Hydrogen the idea is to get it from H2O using a very high
> frecuency
> and posible without a tank to store it. But in a very cheap way.
> This seems like a dream. Without a dream we will not develop the
> technology.
> A positive contribution to inform and come up with ideas
> I think will be a tiny step but it could be all that a smart person need
> to make it happen.
> There is a lot of information about this and is becoming big.
> So far there are a few who claim to have done it.
> I hope it happen soon.
> A supporter.
>
> "fkasner" <fkasner@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:wadyf.8789$dW3.3457@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Raleigh Myers wrote:
>>> "Don Lancaster" <don@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:42od3rF1k158dU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>>Charlie Edmondson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bosone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>hi!
>>>>>>i have recently found this NG.
>>>>>>do you people already know these publications?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"20 hydrogen myths"
>>>>>>http://www.rmi.org/images/other/Energy/E03-05_20HydrogenMyths.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is from a pro-hydrogen organization, who chief method of
>>>>>'debunking' the facts, is to say "It just ain't so! And this other
>>>>>pro-hydrogen organization agrees with me!" They will sorta admit the
>>>>>facts, but then say they aren't really important because we need to go
>>>>>to hydrogen anyway...
>>>>>
>>>>>Charlie
>>>>
>>>>http://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
>>>>Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
>>>>rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Imagine criticizing a pro Hydrogen paper on a Hydrogen List.
>>>
>>> List of right wing think tanks and astroturf organization whence our
>>> kibitzers come from. There are those on this list that who are here to
>>> ridicule
>>> the Hydrogen Economy rather than make it happen on a Hydrogen list. We
>>> know
>>> the right wing petrol NAZIs pay to sponsor kibitzers and have studies
>>> drawn
>>> up along with fake news by the Swifting For Hire Rovarian Kool Aid Kids
>>> perhaps the shoe fits a few here. Flash version
>>> http://www.exxonsecrets.org/
>>>
>>> http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php
>>>
>>> So if the kool aid kids can see beyond the global warming and the
>>> unsustainability of opulence, the faith based petrol NAZI brainwashing
>>> and
>>> forced fed ditto lemming mantras, perhaps you might come around the bend
>>> a
>>> bit. What we can't do is continue on the same unsustainable path of
>>> total
>>> destruction just to keep 1% of the population in la la land.
>>> http://www.igc.apc.org/raenergy/stupid.html#Hydrogen
>>>
>>> The UCS has been a proponent of the Solar Hydrogen Economy. Iceland has
>>> declared themselves in the hydrogen Economy, BP is becoming the lead
>>> fossil,
>>> California and Europe are installing Hydrogen stations etc. It seems
>>> they
>>> put aside their allegiance to the carbon merchants and put their hearts
>>> with
>>> their progeny.
>>> List of right wing think tanks and astroturf organization whence our
>>> kibitzers come from.
>>> http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php
>>>
>>> Ra Energy Fdn.
>>> Raleigh Myers
>>> Work*** bio
>>> http://raenergy.igc.org/ArchitypeOfFairness.html
>>
>> Have you ever taken a single SCIENCE course in thermodynamics? These are
>> not suggestions. They are laws of nature. You cannot get a free lunch.
>> Where is the energy going to come from to create all that hydrogen? Would
>> that energy be more efficiently used more directly rather than using it
>> manufacture H2 ?
>>
>> Childish claims made by you convince only other children. Grow up, read
>> some science and stop fooling yourself.
>> FK
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