Re: hydrogen myths

Raleigh Myers wrote: 
In the case of Hydrogen the idea is to get it from H2O using a very high
frequency
and possible without a tank to store it.

The induction coupling of water is basically what microwave oven does. If we can tune the frequency to bring hydrogen to plasma we have a system. Basically it works when we can plate the plasma to a substrate as in the plasmionic deposition in the manufacturing of photovoltaics. But we haven't figured out how to plate Hydrogen. http://raenergy.igc.org/heltank.html#induction

Then there is Brown's gas which keeps the oxygen and Hydrogen in a compressed tank.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYA,GWYA:2005-04,GWYA:en&q=Brown%27s+gas

As for our Attack Jackals they just can't see the Solar budget seriousness. We can not burn the planet to heat it _ burning the furniture to heat the house :) Hydrogen is something that has to be made to work. it is not an economics exercise it is amoral one.

"Est" <ern2003@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:43ca0903@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

This news group is about hydrogen energy.
In general people don't try to offend you.
To be able to have a better world we need to find a way to stop using
fosil fuels. The new trend indicate that we need to have new concept in relation
to energy and where it will come from.
One demostrated theory has to do with the idea that space is not empty. So the energy
will posible come from that aparent emtyness.
In the case of Hydrogen the idea is to get it from H2O using a very high frecuency
and posible without a tank to store it. But in a very cheap way.
This seems like a dream. Without a dream we will not develop the technology.
A positive contribution to inform and come up with ideas
I think will be a tiny step but it could be all that a smart person need to make it happen.
There is a lot of information about this and is becoming big.
So far there are a few who claim to have done it.
I hope it happen soon.
A supporter.

"fkasner" <fkasner@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:wadyf.8789$dW3.3457@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Raleigh Myers wrote:

"Don Lancaster" <don@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:42od3rF1k158dU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Charlie Edmondson wrote:


Bosone wrote:



hi!
i have recently found this NG.
do you people already know these publications?

"20 hydrogen myths"
http://www.rmi.org/images/other/Energy/E03-05_20HydrogenMyths.pdf


This is from a pro-hydrogen organization, who chief method of 'debunking' the facts, is to say "It just ain't so! And this other pro-hydrogen organization agrees with me!" They will sorta admit the facts, but then say they aren't really important because we need to go to hydrogen anyway...

Charlie 

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf


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Imagine criticizing a pro Hydrogen paper on a Hydrogen List.

List of right wing think tanks and astroturf organization whence our
kibitzers come from. There are those on this list that who are here to ridicule
the Hydrogen Economy rather than make it happen on a Hydrogen list. We know
the right wing petrol NAZIs pay to sponsor kibitzers and have studies drawn
up along with fake news by the Swifting For Hire Rovarian Kool Aid Kids
perhaps the shoe fits a few here. Flash version http://www.exxonsecrets.org/

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php

So if the kool aid kids can see beyond the global warming and the
unsustainability of opulence, the faith based petrol NAZI brainwashing and
forced fed ditto lemming mantras, perhaps you might come around the bend a
bit. What we can't do is continue on the same unsustainable path of total
destruction just to keep 1% of the population in la la land.
http://www.igc.apc.org/raenergy/stupid.html#Hydrogen

The UCS has been a proponent of the Solar Hydrogen Economy. Iceland has
declared themselves in the hydrogen Economy, BP is becoming the lead fossil,
California and Europe are installing Hydrogen stations etc. It seems they
put aside their allegiance to the carbon merchants and put their hearts with
their progeny.
List of right wing think tanks and astroturf organization whence our
kibitzers come from.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php

Ra Energy Fdn.
Raleigh Myers
Work*** bio
http://raenergy.igc.org/ArchitypeOfFairness.html

Have you ever taken a single SCIENCE course in thermodynamics? These are not suggestions. They are laws of nature. You cannot get a free lunch. Where is the energy going to come from to create all that hydrogen? Would that energy be more efficiently used more directly rather than using it manufacture H2 ?

Childish claims made by you convince only other children. Grow up, read some science and stop fooling yourself.
FK





Any attempt at credibility you aspire to was wiped clean when you made a mention of "Brown's Gas" - the ultimate scam platform.
As for breaking the water bond, you appear to have not done your homework. The energy of the H to O bond lies in the infrared. What kind of microwave unit can produce infrared energies? You are not a scientist and science is what is needed not falling for scam concepts.
FK
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