Re: Any alternatives for conventional gasoline?



Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:
Dan Bloomquist wrote:
Pooh Bear wrote:


They have reasonable acceleration 'off the line' on account of electric traction motor
characteristics. They can't really compete on the road though, hp finally comes into
play.

You are making this up.

Hardly. Electric traction motors have excellent low-speed torque which reduces as speed
builds up. At some point simple horsepower becomes the dominant factor. In comparison -
turbo'd IC engines ( esp diesel ) have a very broad torque band typically.

See what I mean about you just say stuff.
'That performance includes a blistering 0-60 mph in 4.6 seconds'
http://www.evworld.com/archives/interviews2/brooks.html

The T-Zero isn't an example of a practical EV.

I gather it costs ~ $300,000 ! That'll get you better than 4.6 secs with an ICE by a long way !
For that I could buy say 6 Porsches and the T-Zero's batteries will still need replacement long
before anything significant on the Porsche ever does.


So, are you saying that once it gets up to 60mpg it just stops working?
You had the opportunity to read this stuff when it went by a short time
ago. I've been posting info on the AC150 Drivetrain here for years.

So why isn't the " AC150 Drivetrain " in everyone's drive ?


That's simply your interpretation of my position. You've never actually asked what it
really is and it doesn't fall neatly into any 'camp'.

I've read what you have posted. What would you have me ask? You think
crop fuels are a viable alternative.

Not an *alternative' - a palliative. I'm quite well aware of this but that's no reason to
dismiss their influence as you seem to want to do.

Like putting a band aid on a gunshot wound if you bother to do the
numbers. Why do you always ignore the numbers?

I'm not ignoring the numbers. You OTOH seem to be in panic mode. There's no need for panic since
it ( the doom and gloom ) *won't happen*.

Talking panic will just piss off the public about greenies even more when they see their case is
a tissue of lies and over-exaggerations.


You think market forces will fix this.

Not entirely alone without a lot of blood, sweat and tears, but that will be a part of how
it goes without a doubt. I cringe to have to quote Thatcher but one thing she was right
about was " you can't buck the market " !

Then you have no idea. Markets are driven by human nature.

No, they're driven by money and greed actually. Oh *human nature* - LOL !


They are myopic and opportunistic.

Get over it !


They work well when there is an unlimited
supply of resources and labor.

They apply regardless.


This is something else. But I'm sure you
prefer philosophical ranting to the numbers.

I'm not ranting. Indeed my position is quite the reverse. Ranting achieves nothing.


The Yen carry trade is about to dry up just as we face the
greatest challenge of this civilization. We don't have a next cheaper
liquid fuel to grow economies with.

It hasn't run out yet, nor is likely to in the near future.

Same old, I guess you, like LongmuirG, will refuse to address the numbers.

Oil is not going to run out tomorrow, the next day, next week, next month, next year, the year
after that, a decade fom now, several decades from now or even next century.

It might be a good idea to prepare for reduced supply though !


. Some modest reductions in use
wil see us fine into the next century IMHO.

And how will money supplies be made to expand?

Money is what you want it to be. It presents no problem. It never has done.


You don't seem to be aware that Europeans who
are used to high oil prices...

Again, same old. A tax only redistributes wealth. It does not reflect
the real cost of resources.

Thankfully not. So we're more careful with our use of oil products.


are just grumbling a bit rather than whining. We seem to be able
to continue ok. I for one, have simply cut down on car mileage a bit for example.

???

Uh ?????


demand can grow, and we can do this for another 50 years.

Of course not. I never said it could

So, do you see a problem with our future?

Not unduly. In the very long term I'm sure that human ingenuity will have selected the best
alternative options....

Look at the numbers. We will be facing declines of millions of barrels a
day in the next decade.

So ?


This is a very large number. How will we divi up
production around the world?

By economic power as usual. He who can pay the most will get most of it.


How will economies grow their money
supplies? Again, I expect no response.

Money is an artificial concept anyway. It's trade you should be thinking about.


In the meantime, more selective use of resources will apply either by
choice or market forces.

And these market forces won't cause a contraction of the money supply?

Why should they ?


The reckoning will be here in just a few years at the most.

A *few* years ? Like how many ?

Cheese, do you read? Demand is growing at almost 2mb/d/year.

And what drives that demand ? Is it unstoppable ? You seem to think so which is plain daft.


There is no new production that will do more than offset declines in old production
through 2010. After that...

Who says ? A change in politics would instantly alter that perception.


It is what the numbers say, it is not an opinion.

I know. The time scale remains to be determined.

Bother to do some reading.

No need. I've read this doom and gloom stuff since 1972 ( 34 yrs ago ! ) . Apparently we were
just about to run out of oil back then too !

Graham

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