Re: Any alternatives for conventional gasoline?



Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:


Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:


Dan Bloomquist wrote:


But why everyone wants an EV to perform like a petro vehicle is beyond me.

Here's the really big joke !

If EV style performace is acceptable why doesn't everyone just buy a car with a
400cc IC engine for half the price ?

Wrong performance, they accelerate just fine. Why do you make stupid
*** up?

They have reasonable acceleration 'off the line' on account of electric traction motor
characteristics. They can't really compete on the road though, hp finally comes into
play.

You are making this up.

Hardly. Electric traction motors have excellent low-speed torque which reduces as speed
builds up. At some point simple horsepower becomes the dominant factor. In comparison -
turbo'd IC engines ( esp diesel ) have a very broad torque band typically.


I suspect EVs simply exist to downgrade ppls' expectations of what a car can do.

Why do you bother? You think there is enough oil so that everyone can
drive what they do

That's simply your interpretation of my position. You've never actually asked what it
really is and it doesn't fall neatly into any 'camp'.

I've read what you have posted. What would you have me ask? You think
crop fuels are a viable alternative.

Not an *alternative' - a palliative. I'm quite well aware of this but that's no reason to
dismiss their influence as you seem to want to do.


You think market forces will fix this.

Not entirely alone without a lot of blood, sweat and tears, but that will be a part of how
it goes without a doubt. I cringe to have to quote Thatcher but one thing she was right
about was " you can't buck the market " !


The Yen carry trade is about to dry up just as we face the
greatest challenge of this civilization. We don't have a next cheaper
liquid fuel to grow economies with.

It hasn't run out yet, nor is likely to in the near future . Some modest reductions in use
wil see us fine into the next century IMHO. You don't seem to be aware that Europeans who
are used to high oil prices are just grumbling a bit rather than whining. We seem to be able
to continue ok. I for one, have simply cut down on car mileage a bit for example.

demand can grow, and we can do this for another 50 years.

Of course not. I never said it could

So, do you see a problem with our future?

Not unduly. In the very long term I'm sure that human ingenuity will have selected the best
alternative options. In the meantime, more selective use of resources will apply either by
choice or market forces.


The reckoning will be here in just a few years at the most.

A *few* years ? Like how many ?


It is what the numbers say, it is not an opinion.

I know. The time scale remains to be determined.

Graham

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