Re: Summation of Dr Olah's interview on Methanol


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AZ Nomad wrote:

On 29 Jul 2006 00:09:17 GMT, B Richardson <brich@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

EV's typically use 0.3 to 0.5 kwh/mile. Using electricity
with Olah's reverse fuel cell, electrolyis at 67%, reverse
fuel cell at 35%, fuel cell again at 35%, you need 3.6 kwh
to finally get 0.3 kwh to the wheel. Batteries and electric
drivetrains aren't 100% efficient but they certainly beat
those figures.

Isn't electtrolysis more like 45% efficient?
And you didn't factor in pressurization or the costs of hauling around
a half
ton of steel bottles.

Hydrogen is simply a non-starter. The sooner that subsidies for
'research' are
removed and used for something with a future, the better.

Graham

I disagree with you because I'm fixed on methanol (at least until you
guys educate me) and hydrogen is a necessary step in the production of
methanol, it seems.

Ok, I'll bite. Why methanol?

K. Jones

My understanding is that it can be produced from many sources,

Same as ethanol

can be delivered through present gasoline pumps and pipes, is relatively
safe -

Same as ethanol

compared to hydrogen, produces little emmissions,

Same as ethanol, except you don't have to make hydrogen as well.

and can be run in a way (through a methanol battery) that will change co2
into something less harmful. It can be produced from ethanol, as one of its
sources.

Ethanol isn't as poisonous as methanol, and has more btu's/gallon.
Why would you convert ethanol to methanol?

K. Jones


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