Re: How many hydrogen cars on the road in the US today?

On May 29, 7:06 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Williamknowsbest wrote:
Clearly, if I can get a gallon of petrol worth of heat for $0.17 from
hydrogen

A US gallon of petrol's worth of heat is ~ 132MJ or 36.66 kWh.

I use 120 MJ per US gallong 33.33 kWh - just to be conservative.
These numbers vary with octane rating obviously.

If you can make 36.66 kWh for $0.17 (under half a cent per kWh) then
either........

A. You're a genius the like of whom the world has never even dreamt of
before.

Yes.

or.....

B. You're a lying, cheating, scamming, ignorant prickhead, deluded ***.

I tend to conclusion B.

Graham

Like all your conclusions you tend toward them with absolutely no
reason to back it up.

Check out my patent filings dude. I've given you enough information
about them. If youc an actually read - then I would suggest you get
on the uspto website and read my freaking patents - then tell me what
a *** I am.

And you wonder why I call you an *** Graham. You act like one.
haha

I can build a string of 2,544 solar panels for about $71,800 - that
produce 1.3 MW during peak illumination. Due to cosine losses they
are rated for 1.0 MW during the peak 6 hours of the day. In most
sunny locales you'll get 4 to 5 good hours a day.

I've described elsewhere how the lenses are made and assembled.

Now, these panels feed two electrolyzers at either end of the string
These are variable load electrolyzers. They are basically built like
the old air-gap capacitors -with 'D' shaped stainless steel electrodes
- sitting in plastic cylinder on its side, half filled with water.
Open circuit voltage is monitored in one of the 4,608 PV cells and
then another monitored for short circuit current. These two values go
through a op amp array - that implements in differential form Nernst's
equation - and basically rotates a servo that turns a cam - which
controls a rheostat that controls a second servo - which rotates the
'D' shaped electrodes into and out of solution to the precise position
needed for peak power - varying the load the panel string sees -
controlling 1.3 MW - for less than $15,000 - The water fed into the
system is pressurized to 10,000 psi - and a header system collects the
gases coming off the electrodes. The electrolysis rate is controlled
by surface area and voltage and current - Load varies from zero - with
electrodes out of solution - to 650 kW (two circuits one on each end)
- during full illumination. Oxygen and hydrogen are generated. The
oxygen is blown down through a turbine - modified from an automobile
turbine - which helps pressurize the water. The hydrogen goes into a
gas line - everything is made of molded polymer that stops hydrogen
penetration in the pressure vessels backing it - very similar to
Quantum's high pressure tank.

With setup and land the entire system runs around $90,000 - and
produces 2200 MWh a year. The system operates without attention for
30 years.

A ton of hydrogen gas is made from 9 tons of water for every 50 MWh of
energy consumed by my electrolyzers and generated by my panels. This
means 44 tons of hydrogen is made each year. The recurring cost
(capital cost and maintenance) of this system is about $7,500 per
year. That's around $0.17 per kg of hydrogen - which contains
slightly more energy than 1 US gallon of gasoline. Of course each kg
is worth about $4 - at gasoline rates, so, that's $176,000 per year of
value.

These costs are achieved with large scale production.

These panels are not for sale.

They form the core of several alternative energy projects I am
involved with.

Converting coal to liquid fuels at a coal mine site - involves 36
square miles of panels - (9 'squares' each 2 miles x 2 miles) - and
produce 200,000 bbls/ day of blended liquid fuels through direct
hydrogenation.

Desalinating seawater producing 40,000 liters for every MWh of solar
energy collected. So, this string produces 88,000,000 liters a year
for the same $7,500 per year (a multi-stage flash evaporator is
operated at various rates at either end of the string - DC powered -
and cost about the same, except here we're reducing pressures) That's
$0.09 per 1,000 liters. Since fresh water is worth $0.60 per 1,000
liters in places like Australia, and since the 3,080 metric tons of
salt is worth $15 per ton - $46,200 per year can be earned just off
the salt - and the water is FREE! - but the water is worth $52,800 -
and buyers of long term contract will sell both for profit.

For every string dedicated to converting seawater to fresh water -
another 220 strings are needed to convert ALL that water into
hydrogen. But 2 strings can produce 44 tons of hydrogen and 88,000
liters of water and 3,080 tons of salt - having atotal value of
$275,000 per year.


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