Re: How many hydrogen cars on the road in the US today?

On Jun 4, 3:55 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
Willie.Mookie wrote:
On Jun 4, 1:45 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I see you won't address my complaint that you can't make electricity
from solar cells for 1/20 of what it currently costs.

What do you mean? How many times do I have to go over the technology and
the numbers and the achievements? What are you missing dude?

A product he can buy at Home Depot. Me too.

My point exactly.


Why would I sell something at Home Depot when I can make 10x the money
selling fuel? It doen't make any sense.

Who buys generators and such anyway? People would much prefer to have
a stable low price for fuel - and be supplied as much as they can
afford without interruption to power their homes and vehicles.

Hydrogenated coal to make liquid fuels cheaply achieves this quickly.

Hydrogen gas compressed in tanks for use in cars,and delivered by
pipeline achieves this in the midterm.

HVDC electricity feeding a DC powered home and a maglev vehicle like
skytran achieves this longer term.

http://aerowebspace.com/AIAA/archives/SkyTran.pdf

Until he has a product, all this talk is just hot air.

<shrug> I'm building a factory that will produce 5,100 units an hour
in six month - and over the year following build and install 250,000
test units. I will then build 60 million units to place in two 36
square mile arrays for project in Indonesia and Australia. I will
then upgrade production to 26,000 panels per hour for other energy
projects.

Along with his precious
patents too.

<shrug> What would you say if I didn't have patents? haha.. or if I
didn't have 12 years of research and development? It'd be pretty
stupid to build a damned factory without that wouldn't it?

Now, the question is, how to enter the market decisively? The answer
is to get an energy project and arange project financing so that there
is a huge demand for panels at the outset. And that's what I've
done!

Maybe he forgot that the issuing of a patent has no connection
whatever with whether the alleged invention will work or not.

What a load of crap. I give a reference from one of the absolutely
finest minds operating in the US today and you *** on it! haha..
And now you give me this bull***. You and Bill Ward sit here hour
after hour and day after day and *** on everything that comes through
here. You're the ones who are clueless nutjobs who have never done a
damn thing worth anything. You both work for oil companies as far as
I recall - and its your job to make damn sure that nothing that could
really compete with oil get a hearing without you and your buddies
tearing it down. Even if you have to go out of your way to make ***
up about what's being discussed.

Shame on you.

I'd actually like to see his idea work but I doubt he'll ever make 0.4 cent /
kWh electricity.

WHY? WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THIS? You keep saying things with absolutely
no analysis and no references to anything.

I'd be impressed if he could make 4c per kWh electricity with PV actually ( one
tenth of his claim). Very impressed in fact. Then all he has to do is find an
efficient way to store it so the energy's available when neeed.

Just as marketing channels change with changing prices of computers
and with it platform changes - so too with solar power. At present
prices solar panels are specialty items sold to people who don't care
about the cost of energy. Since the value of energy is far less than
the cost of the solar devices, the industry that sells these devices
sells the hardware -because that makes th emost profit.

Below a certain price the value of electricity is worth more than the
equipment. At this point it makes sense to sell the electricity -
when the sun is shining - because balance of systems costs are still
too high. At this price point you can sell electricity when the sun
is shining,but due to logistical problems with integrating the
intermittent distributed DC source with AC power grids- you're limited
to about 15% of the total energy market.

Below another price the value of DC electricity is worth more than the
fuel cost of electricity alone. At this point it makes sense to sell
synfuels made with solar electricity - and THAT is the way you
efficiently store solar energy for use in today's market. Hydrogen is
easiest to make from water. But there is no ready market for
hydrogen. But using low cost hydrogen from sunlight to upgrade low
grade oils, produce methanol from methane CO2 and water, produce
liquid fuels from coal, and even provide an enhanced means to produce
oil from empty wells, is a way to produce the greatest value with
hydrogen in today's energy market. Once a large hydrogen
infrastructure is in place, then direct sales can be achieved
displacing fossil fuels in stationary applicatios. then in mobile
applications.

Variable load sodium sulfur batteries in stationary application - if
they can achieve price points competitive with variable load
electrolyzers - which hasn't been achieved yet - have the potential to
displace hydrogen with HVDC transmission - and replace teh hydrogen
house with DC house and replace the hydrogen fueled vehicloe with the
maglev EV.powered by the roadway.

Given his ideas about levitating cars being the future of road transport,

Didn't say that. I didn't invent the Halbach suspension system. I
said that compared to your lame brained attempt at battery powered EV
- road powered EV was superior. A lot of things have to be in place
for levitating vechicles like Skytran to be in place - but the
potential is very exciting.

http://aerowebspace.com/AIAA/archives/SkyTran.pdf

My goal is to make gasoline and jet fuel and sell it. After that, to
make hydrogen for use in coal fired plants and then convert the coal
to more gasoline and jet fuel.

my
assessment of Mookie's chances of success just dropped by several orders of
magnitude.

Well that's the point of engaging me right? Pretend to be supportive
and then wrongly accuse me of some lame brained thing you came up
with. Focusing on levitating cars because to you it sounds like
something that'll stick..


Phht! You're worthless Graham and everyone knows it.


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