Re: At Last - Low Cost Pollution Free Hydrogen a Reality

On Nov 27, 6:21 am, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Nov 24, 6:59 am, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<Willie.Moo...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

I'd consider buying hydrogen from you today assuming it is at a
reasonable
and competitive price the same or lower than natural gas on an energy
basis
and it is supplied in some kind of convient and usable form for
stationary
use.

Sure.

Natural gas has a market price of approximately $388 per metric ton
and a heating value of 55.5 GJ per metric ton. That's $6.99 per GJ.

I charge $800 per metric ton for hydrogen and it has a heating value
of 141.8 GJ per metric ton. That's $5.64 per GJ.

Snip.......

So,You really don't have Low Cost Polution free Hydrogen as you claim, at
least for the end user or consumer.

I am writing contracts right now to deliver industrial quantities of
hydrogen to displace residual oil, natural gas and coal at facilities
all over the world. The terms and conditions of sale are similar that
any industrial user in a remote location pay.

Your projects sound good but they don't solve the overall problem if neither
the equipment nor the product is available to the consumer.

What rot! Residential consumption of energy and hydrocarbon products
constitutes only 8% of the total consumption by ALL CONSUMERS. Check
out this table compiled by the Australian Office of Energy

http://www.energyrating.gov.au/library/pubs/1994-enduse-database.pdf

ASIC Division and Net Energy Consumption, 1992/93
A Div A Cd Description Energy(PJ) %
Group
A 01-04 Agriculture, Forestry & Fishing 61.1 1.5
Industrial
B 11-16 Mining 177.6
4.3 Industrial
C 21-34 Manufacturing 1105.2 26.9
Industrial
D 36-37 Electricity Gas & Water 1140.9 27.7
Utility
E 41-42 Construction 39.7
1.0 Industrial
G 51-58 Transport & Storage (a) 1043.6 25.4
Transport
F 47-48 Wholesale & Retail Trade 59.5
Commercial
H 59 Communication
3.1 Commercial
I 61-63 Finance, Property & Business 17.6
Commercial
J 71-72 Public Administration & Defence 18.6
Commercial
K 81-84 Community Services 39.0
Commercial
L 91-94 Recreation, Personal & Other 18.9
Commercial
Subtotal Commercial F + H-L (156.7) 3.8
Commercial
Residential 342.0
8.3 Residential
Solvents, Lubricants, Greases & Bitumen 49.3 1.2 Non-
energy
Total Consumption 4116.1 100

Sources: ABARE 1993a, DPIE 1987 and author estimates
Note: (a) Includes all business and private motor vehicles, as well as
sea, air and rail.

Residential Sector
The residential sector currently consists of some 6 million households
which use around 8% of all energy consumed in Australia (ABARE, 1993).
However, much of this energy is in the form of electricity, and when
this is taken into account, the sector consumes over 18% of primary
energy. As many as 30 or more individual types of equipment and uses
can be identified within a typical household. However, around 10 main
end uses account for about 90% of energy use. Some end uses, which
have a low level of penetration, only contribute a small amount to
total energy, but consume large quantities of energy when operating.

You have
apparently solved half the problem, supplying hydrogen to select high volume
end users

They're consumers too, besides, you're bitching about where I have
decided to enter the supply chain. I provide hydrogen gas to a RO
plant that provides water to Perth, this is in the Electricity Gas and
Water sector. I supply hydrogen gas to operate a Bauxite Mine in
Collie, this is entered in Mining. I supply hydrogen gas to fire four
660 MW steam generators that formerly used coal. The steam is used to
generate electricity. This is entered in Electricity Gas & Water.
The stranded coal is converted to petrol, this contributes to the
Transport group. I buy a coal mine in Indonesia and convert the 1.5
billion tons of coal to 10.5 billion barrels of petrol at 200,000
barrels per day using my solar hydrogen. This contributes to the
Transport end users again.

but millions who might be interested in your solutions cannot
share in it.

Anyone who buys aluminum, drinks water, uses electricity and petrol,
see the benefit of what I'm doing, and because these markets already
exist and are well defined, my contributions are easily financed.

Why do you not want to offer equipment for lease or sale?

For the same reasons Exxon Mobil doesn't sell their oil drilling
platforms and off-shore leases. For the same reasons McDonald's
doesn't sell frozen hamburger patties. Exxon makes more money
producing the petroleum refining it and selling it for the customer.
McDonald's makes more money running restaurants. Same here. When the
value of the synfuel made by the solar panels exceeds by many times
the value of the hardware, I obviously am better off selling hardware.

How about licensing the manufactrure of you cells and their accuterments to
other manufactures to get volume production and to really make this thing
the reality you claim

Its a classic make-buy decision they teach you in economics class!
There is no one else in the world that is building panels on the scale
I am. So, there is no one to license to. I am using the Timex model
however. I build own and operate all my facilities, but hire out all
the services. I have created an approach to the fuels market that
creates a demand for 1 sq km of panels per day. So this internal
demand for my panels to meet the needs I have created support the
plant I am building right now to produce 1 sq km of solar panels per
day. Furthermore, over the next 6 years I will build additional
plants that up the total to 15 sq km per day. This will meet the
growing global need for petrolchemicals largely from solar sources,
and provide hydrogen to those who wish to buy it.

The first plant will spin off a 200,000 b/d facility (or its
equivalent in other fuels) every 9 months. When my supply chain is
fully populated, I will be spinning off solar fuel plants at the rate
of twenty 200,000 b/d facilities.

So, you have it backwards. Once I meet internal demand, I will build
a small number of specialty products to fill the secondary markets.

I am in discussions with major solar panel fabricators to provide
panels for traditional solar use. I am offering 5 GW of 40% efficient
multi-spectral panels sold at $1 per peak watt wholesale. A five year
contract for $25 bilion. This revenue will cover ALL my costs for the
other 95 GW of lower efficiency panels used at my synfuel sites

As it stands now, you claim hydrogen as a reality but really don't supply it
or its equipment to the minions out here.

Go to this site and ask them for a power system;

http://www.honeywell.com/sites/aero/Power_Systems.htm

You'll find that the minions you speak of consume only 8% of the
energy in the world directly. The other 92% they consume indirectly.
What is your complaint really? You have no real basis for any
complaint.

There are 159 coal fired power plants that are being halted from being
constructed in the US. Together they have 78 GW of capacity. I
intend to sell them all hydrogen gas in trade for coal and convert
their coal to petrol. Those that won't buy hydrogen from me, I will
in turn buy out at a discount, and then convert them to hydrogen.
This will put me in the utility business and at that point I may have
an opportunity to sell electricity, hydrogen gas, and petrol directly
to consumers.

So it's not a reality for most.

If you buy or use aluminum, electricity, or petrol, its real enough.

What would make it a reality for us, consumers and small time useres would
be able to purchase a couple of hundred Kilos at a time at a reasonable
price without any other encumberances.

Like I said before, you haven't a clue as to how most energy is
produced and consumed in the world. I have carefully chosen my
marketing channels to avoid negative attention from the majors while
giving me the greatest return for my investment of time money and
talent. This does not preclude selling to the 8% residential market
directly, but saying we have to start there needlessly constrains what
is possible our ultimate size and our rate of growth while needlessly
putting us in head to head competition with better capitalized
companies.

People often ask why solar hasn't seen broader application. Part of
the reason must be that those who found and manage solar energy
companies haven't a clue or haven't bothered to really understand how
energy is produced, distributed marketed and used in the world and
what they must do to compete without subsidy and without dependence on
anyone or anything outside themselves.
.

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