Re: Low Cost Hydrogen is here to stay

On Dec 8, 6:15 am, BradGuth <bradg...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I 100% agree that folks shouldn't be consuming coal for heat or even
for making seam into electrons, but those others in charge of your
private parts don't seem to agree with either of us. I wonder what
their fossil burning and yellowcake using problem is, especially since
the likes of Warren Buffett and yourself are not from the dark side,
as well as either am I.
- Brad Guth





Brad, I don't know what you mean by most of what you say, and what I
seem to understand of what you say I usually disagree with. I have
two coal to liquid projects in Indonesia, and one oil upgrade project
in UAE. After talking to folks in Australia about converting their
48,000 MW of coal fired plants to hydrogen, and talking to some of the
folks there about converting all their autos and trucks to
regenerative fuel cells or hydrogen fueled ICEs - I think I'm
convinced that the instead of spending $60 billion on capital that
converts all the stranded coal to petrol, Australia would be better
off spending $50 billion on converting 10 million motorcars to
hydrogen and electricity (and creat a lot of jobs in the land of Oz
and a huge export market that would exceed petrol exports) and I'd
spend an added $10 billion on making the extra hydrogen needed.

Check it out. 48,000 MW needs 173 milion tons of coal each year.
That is replaced by 28 million tons of hydrogen. Now, to make that in
Oz requires 823,500 MW of solar panels. At $0.07 per peak watt thats
$58.6 billion. At $0.03 per peak watt that's $26.7 billion. The
final number will be somewhere between these two figures - due to
learning curve effect. To convert the stranded coal to 1.2 billion
barrels of petrol each year will require $60 billion firm - since this
is not new technology, not much anyway. Oz imports 335,000 bbls/day,
and burns 965,000 bbls/day - so, with this infrastructure they can
begin exporting something like 1.8 million bbls/day. That's $10 per
day for each Aussie. Sweet. But 965,000 bbls/day can be displaced by
42,000 tons of hydrogen each day. That's a 54% increase over the
original figure, which means another $15 to $30 billion - more likely
the lower figure.

In short, I can grow faster as an ALL HYDROGEN process than I can as a
hydro-carbon process. At least on paper. But that's why I've added
that to my game plan. In Indonesia and UAE I'll stick with
hydrocarbons, and leverage those to acquire a re-marketer in the USA
and make it an integrated oil company using these solar 'sunfuels' as
a resource. But in Oz I'll stick with an all hydrogen solution, and
add that to my product mix in the USA at the retail level and see how
they battle it out.

There are a lot of opportunities. As I mentioned before there are 159
coal fired power plants in the USA that are stalled because of carbon
concerns. Converting these 79,000 MW to hydrogen ends that concern
and adds value besides. So, I either sign fuel supply deals totalling
something like $9 billion per GW, or buy the power plants themselves
on the cheap, and realize a quick profit when I get them approved -
which creates more than $9 billion per GW in value. Building the
roughly 2 TW of panels and national hydrogen pipeline to service them
automatically puts into place the infrastructure needed to create a
hydrogen and electricity infrastructure to challenge the dominance of
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Brad,

Have you ever seen the move A SCANNER DARKLY? The movie based loosely
on a Philip K *** novel??

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405296/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scanner_Darkly

I don't think it did the novel justice, but I really liked the artwork
produced by the animation process.

Sometimes when I read your posts I can imagine what your world must be
like that movie, you are Brad Arctor aka Agent Fred surrounded by blue
flowers in the corn, madly in love with the unavailable Donna waiting
for your next fix of Substance D.

Did 'D' come from USSR intent on destroying the USA? Or did it come
from aliens intent on enlightening humanity? Or do they want to
enslave humanity? Or is it a corporate plot to enslave the workers?

Perhaps you know Brad, where substance D comes from. Perhaps you can
tell us here all about it.

Sometimes I think you know, but you just aren't telling. Or maybe
Agent Fred knows, and he's not telling Brad so you can't say.

That I think is what is going on.
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