Re: America needs to export energy now

On Jan 27, 10:31 am, BradGuth <bradg...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
But you could have accomplished all of this as of 10 years ago,
because based upon your own numbers it would have made good economic
sense way back then.

I'd like to know how?

Sure, the numbers make sense. But, you've got to believe them, and
what I predicted about oil prices, which happened as I predicted, but
how do you convince folks BEFORE the fact?

After all, half the world's oil was held by rogue regimes, and it
wasn't as clear 10 years ago that all the reserves that would be
discovered were in fact discovered. All you have to do is show that
those reserves come on the market and compete with existing producers,
and we're back to $12 per barrel oil again. In fact, if my cost of
production is $6 to $8 per barrel, you can bet that oil prices would
drop to $6 to $8 per barrel before I get into production. This was
spelled out to me explicitly by oil company after oil company that
wanted to buy my technology.

As recently as 2004 oil was $18 per barrel and our costs are $6 to $8
per barrel - and some people thought the cost of oil might be
peaking. I presented this plan, with a lot more detail than I can
present here, to the White House and Congress in December 2004 - after
the Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap.

I told Congress to buy 250 million barrels of oil from me at $25 per
barrel today for the strategic petroleum reserve. No money today, but
the contract would give me the clout I needed to raise funds to
convert lands I have options on in Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico -
and send a powerful signal to OPEC that they should moderate prices.

If done rightly, they could even invest in this new program and reap
the same revenue streams they're getting today - so OPEC riches could
actually fund US development - by letting them own a portion of the
output. I'd be in a domestic supply chain upstream and leave the
downstream to the existing players - focusing on technical innovation
and specialization and expanding supply rather than vertical
integration.

They didn't buy it then because they felt after hearing expert
testimony from the oil majors that $22 a barrel would just be a blip
in a move toward lower prices as freedom and regime changes were
instituted in Iraq and Libya and Iran - and oil would be $12 per
barrel soon. Then Congress and the White House would look foolish
buying into a $25 per barrel oil when oil prices were $22 per
barrel..

You may recall that some during the run up to the war in Iraq
commentators on CNN predicted $1.50 per gallon gasoline soon after a
successful invasion of Iraq, where we would be greeted as liberators
by the locals, and the world would love and respect the US for ending
the threat of WMDs on Europe's border.

haha.. none of that happened.

What did happen after my tour of Washington is that my machine shop
business, and my two angel investors that summer all ran into serious
difficulties. Old trusted customers went elsewhere, and credit lines
dried up. One angel declared bankruptcy and is in a helluva mess.
Another followed suit.

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2006/05/08/story8.html?jst=s_cn_hl
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2006/11/27/story13.html?from_rss=1
http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2007/11/05/story9.html?ana=from_rss

How can you go from $1.5 billion in sales one day to owing $58 million
in debt the other with zero income the next? Well, we all depend on
others for our success don't we. And if those others don't support us
- well, our success changes.

Also, I have 22 smaller investors I've accumulated over the years. One
investor in Pennsylvania,has a nephew who is a securities lawyer who
works in a big law firm in Philadelphia. This law firm works for major
oil companies. Well, for some damn reason they were looking at things
and they found a problem with some of the membership interests we wold
a few years previously on $20,000 invested - and they wanted not just
their money back, but EVERYONE to get ALL their money back with
interest. lol. So, that's been interesting.

No one in government wants to talk to a company like this - who cannot
even manage their own affairs!

About this same time someone came up from Florida and offered us $100
million for everything -lock stock and barrel. It would get everyone
off the hook. This is October 2005 - I didn't buy it primarily
because they didn't have a solid structure. The $100 million was very
iffy - and they didn't really have a plan for developing the
technology or the business - they preferred to focus on our pain and
how they could ameliorate it. They were very effective at getting
three friends who were successful and trusted one another - at each
others throats.

Meanwhile, folks we had developed as possible coal sources -
converting coal to petrol with solar hydrogen - were approached by
majors who offered to convert coal to petrol without solar hydrogen.
So, folks that knew us, folks that trusted us, and folks that believed
in the technology and had the capacity to bail us out, were offered a
better deal from a bigger company doing comparable things - just
without the solar hydrogen component that would create a long term
liability for fossil fuel producers, and a long term benefit to me and
my investors;

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=9353

Now, in life, *** happens. Were the powers that be out to get me?
Some think so. I have no direct evidence of that. So, I can't say
for sure. The only thing I can do is my best, and I think I've done
that. My grandfather told me once its not what happens in your life,
its how you respond to it that counts. So, I have responded in ways
that i think have moved the project forward.

The folks that voted for the war, were told a lot of things about WMDs
and oil prices. Not just by the White House, but by respected
experts. People who had a different story were marginalized. No one
seriously believed them. After 2006 no one seriously believed me any
more in Washington - I was marginalized on many fronts. If there was
a campaign I think it would have been justified by the thought that
energy is strategically important to the USA and that the USA cannot
rely strategically on this new technology yet. That is, people would
abandon the Middle East and hop on this technology in a big way if it
were credible to them. This would represent a huge risk to US
stability. So, a program to marginalize - but not destroy - this
technology - could be justified in some minds. Of course, others leap
in to take advantage without worrying about the USA. And those who
might carry out such programs - don't worry about common mode
failures.

But this commentary is really a waste of time isn't it? I mean I
can't know for sure what's going on. The only thing I know is I have
difficulties I've got to address and move forward positively to
address them..

One of the greeatest blessings I've had over the last 4 years is I had
a daughter with a lovely lady in Switzerland. I moved there and set
up a trust for her. I was introduced to international banking - and
project financing. So, I set up an off shore trust, and began
developing contacts overseas to arrange for projects that would use my
technology.

http://www.mitrais.com/mining/miningNews060818.asp
See the article on Sugico Mok to develop brown coal.

http://www.bni.co.id/Portals/0/Document/Coal.pdf
see the bottom of page 5 - and that's 20 million liters per day,not
barrels. lol.

In the meantime, oil keeps rising in price as China and India keep
demanding more. Today, with oil at $98 per barrel, and our costs at
$8 to $11 per barrel (coal prices have gone up as well as capital
costs) and one major OPEC supplier after another running into
production limits, with one (Indonesia) actually becoming a net
importer of oil, things are different today.

Besides, even major oil companies take decades to organize the
financing and development of new fields. I am not a major, and this
it brand new technology. I signed the agreement for the low-rank coal
and land reclamation work in August 2006. I cannot imagine things
moving more rapidly than they have.

Oh sure, in an ideal world the White House would have backed Congress
buying $6.25 billion - payment due after delivery - in oil in 2005 and
the major oil companies would have followed suit with similar off-take
contracts going forward - and we'd be paying $25 per barrel today and
we'd discover that Saddam like Khadafi wasn't so bad as long they
would sell us oil at $25 per barrel -

But things don't work that way because change is one of the most
difficult things people have to deal with - and energy is an important
thing to change. We've been selling the same kerosene we use in our
jet and turbine engines for 180 years - to burn in oil lamps. The
people that supply that material have opposed change all that time.
It is unrealistic to expect them to welcome change today. This
creates a huge opportunity since such opposition is irrational - so a
rational response will win out. And that's what I'm doing.

The people who were fooled the past three years won't be fooled so
easily again - and those who gave bad advice in 2004-2007 will be
marginalized themselves by that bad advice - just by me doing my
little *** in Indonesia and Australia.

So, I'm happy - and soon, the world will be happy too.

There is no apparent way our DOE or any other government agency is
going to support the likes of honest folks, because that's not what
our government ever does.

You always dis the hard working men and women who serve us in the
American government. You forget that the government first and
foremost must make sure that the United States survives. Energy is an
important aspect of any industrial society. Assuring low cost
supplies of energy going forward at reasonable levels of risk is of
paramount importance therefore. Anyone that comes along with a new
idea related to energy must be able to supply that energy in the
quantities at the costs and with the level of assurance of supply - at
least as good as the current supplies. They must also not create
market disorder during the transition - as this can be exploited by US
adversaries to destabilize the US. So, this is serious serious
business.

Now, this also puts the existing suppliers in the catbird seat. Its
easy to marginalize an up and coming company. Its easy to marginlize a
new idea. Its easy to publicize every hair brained scheme and crooked
scam that has ever happened in the energy business - and compare ALL
others to that - drawing parallels - to raise that perception of risk
among the sober analysts charged with our security. All this while
ignoring the real costs of doing nothing!!

We live in hard times, difficult times,that are not made easier by
accusing honest hard working folks of doing things they're not. It is
up to the person or company to meet the challenges demanded by a
stable society, to meet the challenges of a dedicated opposition, to
meet the challenges that change will create - it is only by doing this
that the agent for change deserves the rewards his change brings.

So far all innovations have failed. They have failed because they
have preferred the drama of conflict, over the hard work of meeting
the challenges and winning.

Our government seems to like ulterior
motives, hidden agendas and of those cloak and dagger sorts of
individuals in charge of such.

This is poppy***. Absolute bilge. Worse yet, its useless and
offensive.

The United States is the most powerful nation in history. It is the
most powerful nation in history for one reason - the dedication of
people who work for the US government who make sure we're the most
powerful nation in history. Anyone who seeks to change important
strategic elements like energy - must understand the negative impact
change may bring and accomodate that going forward. Anyone who
believes that those who are harmed by change in the energy bussiness
won't exercise every tool they can to oppose change, are being naive.
Those who bitch about the way things are - are not taking effective
action to bring about change.

It's always opposed by the actions of those in Usenet and the likes of
NASA's brown-nosed minions within Uplink.Space.com as not caring about
others of any faith other than their pretend atheism that acts and/or
reacts exactly as though Old Testament Jewish,

Now you are being especially offensive - and irrational. You really
need to look at yourself and quit blaming others for the frustration
you face in life.

of those individuals
hiding behind phony names and extensively not caring as to however
spendy energy gets, of how polluted and AGW our environment gets or of
how much our government lies to us, that are also the ones telling us
that whatever the past doesn't count and that if need be WWIII is
necessary, and that Muslim deaths simply don't ever count.

The United States has committed itself to a course of action following
World War 2 that sought to secure for itself a safe and peaceful
existence in the nuclear age. Prior to thisperiod the US was drawn
against its will into two major conflicts. Because of its geography
and history, it would likely be drawn into future conflicts. One
thing was certain, that in the nuclear age, we could not suffer
another Pearl Harbor type attack. So, we were placed on a constant
war footing. We also reorganized the OSS into the CIA with the idea
that if Hitler could have been marginalized before he came to power,
World War might have been averted. Finally, the American people
didn't support all this cloak and daggar stuff, so programs were
instituted to avoid public scrutiny in some instances and change
public attitudes in others. The CIA wasn't even known to exist until
the downing of the U2 spy plane by Moscow. Similar to the history of
the NSA a decade alter following the arrest and confession of two
spies again in Moscow. Media figures like James Bond, Maxwell Smart,
Jim Phelps, Kelly Robinson, Alexander Scott Jim West, Thelonious Monk,
John Drake, Number 6 - were all created by spies turned authors at a
time when the depth and the breadth of the spy business became public
knowledge. So, public attitudes toward spies were fixed not by the
headlines generated in Moscow, but rather, by the headlines generated
by Hollywood. In the end we love our spies and envied them and wanted
to be like them.

Fact is, the Cold War was a success. The Soviet Union fell, and China
has turned away from Communism - and has turned into a supplier of
cheap labor to the US.

What we lack today is a clear vision of where to go next. In that
power vacuum the US is at risk. We have done nothing to take control
of the loose nukes leaking out of Russia. We have actually created the
most capable enemies we have. Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA
to fight Russians who had invaded Afghanistan. The CIA and other
intelligence ops have use organized crime for muscle when they needed
it, and used drug money to fund operations when they needed it, and
use knowledge of drug use to exercise control over
governments,business and even whole populations. The amount of heroin
coming out of Afghanistan has actually increased since the US took
control there.

Eisenhower exported labor in the 1950s - turning the US into a nation
of shop keepers. Why? The retail function makes $10 for every $3 made
in manufacturing and every $1 made on the farm or mines. So, it
naturally enforces a disparity of income which is one of the goals of
the post-war era. It also undermine the power base of the Democrats.
Nixon expanded that export of labor to China - putting downward
pressure on labor price rises in Japan and Germany. Reagan destroyed
the Savings and Loans and his monetary policies caused the collapse of
the stock market in 1987 - and turned the US from the largest creditor
to the world's largest debtor nation. The US debt surpassed $1
trillion and has since grown to over $9 trillion. Meanwhile, the
Chinese have accumulated massive amounts of American debt with the US
dollars they have been paid while accumulating expertise in every
aspect of American business, while doing nothing to supress the muslim
extremists on their border, and nothing to stem the flow of loose
nukes. Bush invaded Iraq the first time to free Kuwait, and then
Somolia, but did nothing to stabilize the former Soviet Union and get
control of the loose nukes.

The US does face challenges in the world, and here is one scenario
where it might end its tenure as the greatest nation in history - God
forbid;

Terrorists carry out a coordinated attack on three to five major US
cities with loose nukes from the former Soviet Union and in response,
China leads a group of international investors to dump US debt -
creating a period of hyperinflation in the US.

This would leave China in control of world resources, and eliminate
the US from the world stage for at least a generation.

This is to be avoided at all costs.

Our new and improved NASA, that for the past 8 years and counting as
having ignored all things Venus,

Whether you know it or not, each time you mention the word 'venus' you
marginalize not only yourself, but anyone you speak with. You HAVE to
know this. Just as you have to know talking about religions and
whatnot marginalizes you as well. That points to you as being the
biggest marginalizer around here dog. A comment by you in any thread
anywhere is like a nuclear weapon going off. Nothing for miles around
in all directions is worth a damned thing.

The only way to deal with it is to call it out like it is. You're
either a freak, or a paid agent posing as a freak - in either case -
you marginalize whatever you talk about with the rant you keep
repeating above. I have told you what I think would be best for you -
stay off line for a year. What if I paid you to stay off line for a
year and do something interesting? Like hang out on a yacht in Ft
Lauderdale. I'm told that ANYONE would get a girlfriend and get laid
on a 180 ft yacht. I could put you up their in one of the guest
suites and we'd use you as a test case. Whadayasay? I'd even spring
for therapy for you.

Something to think about.

is about to fold upon itself once
again (as you should know the 8th fold is next to impossible), and
that's before their own dumbfounded eyes of denial and evidence
exclusion, in much the same as our old NASA/Apollo fiasco that for
some odd reasons still can't be imaged from the best efforts of JAXA's
Selene (KAGUYA) as offering its 3D imaging that's of a more than
sufficient 10 meters/pixel resolution and terrific DR that's at least
4X better than film, as though our supposed "right stuff" that's so
bright and shiny upon that physically dark surface is having to
continually hide under most any available moon rock because, there's
still nothing of any such bright and shiny Apollo technology residing
upon that physically dark as coal moon of ours (unless an artificial
crater counts).

Eisenhower was quite explicit in his private papers about NASA. He
thought it was bad business for the government to be in the space
business. He felt the Russians had put up Sputnik, and drew us into
IGY space launch for the sole purpose of stealing our missile secrets
to match the atom bomb secrets they stole through the Rosenbergs. He
also felt that space travel was too expensive and would bankrupt us
given US enthusiasm for it - and so, he opposed it. He suggested that
NASA budgets be limited to 1% of federal expenditures, and he made
damned sure that NASA would never have the ability to chart its own
strategic course, since he knew the American public would gleefully
support any damned fool idea backed by scientists - regardless of the
cost or lack of real benefit to the nation. Kennedy had a different
view. Kennedy was killed. When his brother got the votes to win the
nomination in the following election, he was kille. *** happens.
Fact is everyone after Kennedy adhered to the 1% rule, following the
moon landings. We have been in haiatus ever since 1966 in space.
..

Basically our government lies to us as regular as clockwork,

Yeah, but why? Your statement lacks any real perspective - which
marks you as being either a rabblerouser or extremely naive.
Obviously, anyone who has a secret to keep is at times forced to lie
about issues related to that secret.

The question is, is the secret worth it? Does it serve?

Any great nation has secrets to keep. The United States is a great
nation. Obviously it has secrets to keep. So, for this reason, the
Unite States does what it must to keep those secrets, which at times
includes telling lies by omission or commission. If you're a good
Catholic you know that both are a sin. lol..

This is done for the highest of public good. On balance, our
government works very hard at maintaining the US position in the
world. It does that to benefit all Americans. On balance our
government is the most open and honest of governments and the most
tolerant of governments in the world.

Now secrecy and disinformation can be abused. It also introduces
other common mode failures. These need to be taken more seriously
since these forms of failure now threaten the existence of the USA to
a greater degree than the remnants of the enemies the secrets were
created to destroy.

and as
such they only want to do business with other born-again liars

You are creating a bogus drama for the sole purpose of the way it
makes you feel to say that. That's the only valid reason I can see
for you saying this. The other reason you say this (and you say it
all the time) is that its part of the recipe you are told to say as
part of your job of marginalizing ideas. I mean after all, I started
out this thread talking about what America can do to export energy to
stabilize its economy and gain geopolitical power today. Now we're
talking about religion, venus NASA and government coverups. lol.
Fact is EVERYTHING you respond to, comes back to this same set of
words over and over again. You are either typing these words because
you get a hit of emotion from them that you need - or you are typing
these words because you are told to type them as part of your job to
cover up with noise and bull*** anything that might be of interest to
people.

Like I said, I prefer to think you are merely sick, rather than evil.
So, I offer you a cabin on a 182' yacht in Ft Lauderdale, and therapy
as well, for a year - all expenses paid. Just stay off line for a
year- after that you can do what you like.

Whadayasay?

because, the last thing they need within their ranks is someone
telling us village idiots the whole truth and nothing but the truth,

Depends on the details. But worrying about what someone else might do
really doesn't help me does it? I mean, the most someone can do is
make things slightly more difficult. It doesn't change what I must do
- and bitching about it doesn't help. The only thing saying stuff
like you are saying here does, is mark you off as aloser, and
marginalize the clear, clean good things that could be said to support
truth.

such as about those clean and renewable energy resources that can
produce the likes of Mook hydrogen and Guth peroxide.
. - Brad Guth

Hydrogen Peroxide is an interesting and valuable secondary energy
source that could replace batteries. lol. My market analysis says
that hydrogen peroxide will never be more than about 5% of the market
total. But with a $4 trillion a year energy market, growing to $50
trillion a year in 25 years - that's still a $200 billion a year
market growing to $2.5 trillion a year

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