Re: H2 burner

On Jun 15, 3:26 pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Jun 11, 9:55 am, Williamknowsbest <William.M...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Anyone who visits my web site and fills out the contact information
may request information including such photos.
http://www.usoal.com

Nice business.
Must be raking in money.
:)

--
James M Driscoll Jr
Spaceman

Its highly leveraged at present - so, like Churchill I find I must
rely on allies I don't particularly trust or like!  lol.  But we will
prevail, that's for sure.

Hey William, have you seen this paper?

http://www.hionsolar.com/n-hion96.htm

Please check out a more reliable source

http://gcep.stanford.edu/pdfs/hydrogen_workshop/Schultz.pdf

Thanks.  Thats a very interesting link.

And accurate.

They describe a direct-thermal solar to hydrogen process where they
achieved 1 to 2% efficiency.  

Interesting.  Thermal cycles using nuclear or solar sources have
demonstrated over 60% efficiency.  I have a hybrid cycle using sulfide/
sulfate - that is 55% efficient.

The interesting part was the section
near the end talking about efficiencies of various methods.

The Stanford paper is a more reliable source of information.

Probably more up to date.  I don't remember seeing a date on the one I
posted a link to, but apparently the state of the art has progressed
since.

Obviously.

Apparently, the solar-to-hydrogen efficiency obtained using silicon
photovoltaic cells and an alkaline electrolyzer is about 6%.  

That efficiency has been achieved certainly.   Is it the highest
efficiency possible?  No.   As I said, I have a hybrid system that is
55% efficient, which is less than the peak of 60% - however, my system
is the lowest cost per watt.

The
conversion efficiency for a solar dish Stirling generator combined
with an alkaline electrolyzer is 19%.  

Stanford and General Atomics report 60% efficiency - my system is only
55% efficient, but has the lowest cost per watt of any other system.

The long term solar-to-hydrogen
efficiency goal established by the National Renewable Energy
Laboratory is 25%.

This was true 20 years ago.  That value has been exceeded recently by
more than double.

Now you come along and say you can achieve 55% thermodynamic
efficiency

Yes.  Its a hybrid cycle - involving BOTH eletrolytic process and heat
with a sulfide/sulfate process.

with a device that is relatively inexpensive to boot.  

Yes.  The MEMs PV/Electrolysis 'dot' unit is 0.775 cents  per square
millimeter ($547 per 300 mm wafer) and operates at 2500x solar
intensity -which means a square meter of collector contains 400 sq mm
and  adds $3.10 per square meter to panel system cost.

How much precision do you need to get the 2500X light beam to hit
right on the little dot?  

I'm at about 16% of the limit for this material.

How much precision is possible with a PET
hot press molded shape?  

Well, one can go through the relevant optical calculations, but since
we can't even get heat engines right, around here, lets take another
route.

This isn't an optics issue its a manufacturing issue.

When you manufacture an optical device, its an optics issue. You
don't know what you're talking about here. Think clearly about your
objection.

 What kind of
tolerances do you need and what kind of tolerances can the process
provide with mass production.

Optical tolerances - surfaces accurate to a quarter wavelength of
light - these are routinely mass produced with PET - lens covers, for
automobiles, reflectors for flashlights, packaging that looks shiny
and bright.

I suggest reading Optical Manufacturing by R. M. Scott specifically
Applied Optics and Optical Engineering, Volume III. of that set,
edited by Rudolf Kingslake. Published by Academic Press, Inc., a
subsidiary of Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, New York, 1965

Please understand, we are use about 1/6th of the tolerances we are
capable of to matain a 2400x increase in solar intensity from the
solar disk.

Consider a hot press molded package, or a blow molded water bottle.
They're both very shiny, and smooth and attractive as packaging
material because of that.  PET is a preferred packaging material
because of its optical qualities.   This derives from their optically
smooth surface.  Plain polyethelyne is dull by comparison - that's
because the surface is not optically smooth.   Obviously, they're
precise enough.

I don't know the answer but that sounds like
a potential design challenge.

Because you don't know, you can't really say - you are merely looking
for roadblocks in an effort to sound smart - as a consequence you
reveal your ignorance.  On the positive side, you openly admit your
ignorance which makes you easier to take than others who don't admit
such, or worse yet, aren't even aware of what they do not know.

The lenses consist of 2 sheets of 100 micron thick PET hot press
molded into lens shapes - and bonded together in a water bath to
encase water - which is the lens medium.   The focal point is inside
the lens medium.   The water also reacts at the dot when illuminated.

A square meter of two PET films each 100 microns thick  contains 200
cc of PET massing 350 grams costing 0.15 cents per gram totalling
$0.53 per square meter.   Water cost is nil.   Total cost is $3.63 per
square meter.   At 1,000 watts per square meter solar influx, and 55%
efficiency, this generates 550 watts for $3.63 - which 0.726 cents per
peak watt.

This is just the cost of the solar panel.  The entire system - runs on
average $0.07 per peak watt - which is expected to drop to $0.02 per
peak watt as volume increases.

Your
efficiency is more than double the long term goal.  

Long term goal 20 years ago has been doubled recently - you are
absolutely right.   I would suggest you read a more current, and more
reliable source of information - such as Stanford and General Atomics
and current DOE literature.

This seems like a
huge breakthrough.  

It builds on a number of improvements.

As long as you have your designs protected by
patents, why don't you publish some results in a peer-reviewed
journal?  

They already have been published as you can see in my reference.

You say you don't like the allies you have to rely on.  

They're the best ones I have - hell, sometimes, I don't even like my
kids - that doesn't mean I don't love them and cherish them.

If
this breakthrough is real

*** you.

Easy killer.

No, *** you for gratuitously calling me a liar.  

Bill what crawled up your ass?  

You gratuitously stating I was a liar.

Qualifying my statement with an "if"
is not calling you a liar.  

In the context of your discussion, yes it is. Its like calling a
black man by the n-word and preceding it with the statement 'with all
due respect sir, you are a' - qualifying the statement doesn't make it
any more palatable. Fact is you don't know one way or the other, so
to say any more than that is an error for you. Obviously erring in a
way that impunes my honesty is gratuitously calling me a liar.

It is just reflecting the fact that you
have *not* provided proof

Bull***. Patents, prototypes, photos by filling out a contact card,
and test results by filling out a contact card, is far from providing
zero proof.

that what you invented is real.  

Screw you.

Calling you
a liar would be stating that I *know* you did not invent what you say
you did.

Yes.

 I am not making that statement.  

Yes you are.

If you can't see that then
you are just a belligerent ass who is sorely lacking in people
skills.  

*** you again. Look sweetheart, making the following pair of
statements;

If you have no proof then you are a liar
You have no proof

Is logically equivalent to saying

You are a liar

If you can't see that, then you are sorely lacking in logical and
language skills.

You just asserted (wrongly and against copious evidence to the
contrary) the second part of the syllogism, after repeating the
first. So, *** you

Starting in with the "*** you" is pretty damn immature and
does not help make your case.

*** you.

 I have given you
quality references and valid logic for every step along the way I have
published in patent form much of my work and you out of the blue call
me a liar.   The only appropriate response to someone who gratuitously
calls me a liar is *** you - I mean you don't have evidence what I
say isn't real.  You feel discomforted by my claims.   That's
understandable.  That's your problem not mine.

I like your claims.  

They're far more than claims, calling them claims after constructing
your syllogism is impuning my honesty - needlessly so - since
Obviously one does not obtain patents or bank financing for projects
that are mere claims.

They would make the world a better place.  

They are making the world a better place.

You are merely attempting to denigrate my efforts here. You are not
being fair or open minded, or even acknowledging the references I did
give -

It
nice to see that someone has the vision and skills to pursue such
things.  

Paying lip service after constructing a syllogism that repeats the
canard that I am lying is a way of defusing the negativism inherent in
what you are saying - but this is merely a tactic to make your
syllogism more palatable to the kind-hearted. Unless and until, you
disavow your syllogism in light of my accomplishments, I will continue
to say *** you sweetheart.

When I see third party verification that your claims are true
I will feel better still.

How is the USPTO not a third party?

 You haven't provided any third party confirmation that
your claims are true.

I have patents.  How is the USPTO not a third party?

Bill, I am an engineer and I have a patent (hopefully the first of
many) so I am well aware of what the USPTO requires.  

So, now you say the United States Patent Office cannot be trusted as a
third party.

They don't
require a working prototype.  

Neither do reporters. The patent office though requires by law that
something actually work as advertised. In a comparison between
reporters and patent reviewers who do you think is more qualified to
determine this? Why?

They don't require test results.  

Nor are test results rejected. Have you even seen my patents on this
subject? The test results are included as part and parcel of the
patents. If you would trouble yourself to actually look at the
patents, before denouncing the patent process, and impuning the
strength or validity of my patent, you would see test results are
included.


They
care if the idea is unique.  

Its also a requirement that it work as advertised to deliver the
claims made for it. If you can show that a patent does not work as
advertised or deliver the benefits claimed for it, then the patent is
perforce null and void. Of course this is hard to do if you have
valid test results from third parties - which I do.

They don't make sure it works as
claimed.  

Yes they do. Patents must have utility. That means they must a
useful purpose. This reduces to claims made for a patent. Those
claims must be accurate. Proving that a claim is not accurate voids
the utility of the patent, and excludes that patent from patent
protection. Reviewers are trained engineers who are very sharp.
Einstein reviewed patents for the Swiss patent office. Reviewers for
patents are sharper than most reviewers in a peer reviewed publication
like Nature or Science. They spend more effort and time than most
magazine reviewers and take longer to review the claims more
thoroughly. They get paid more too.

Having a patent means *nothing* in terms of proving whether
your invention works.  

Interesting conclusion. You ask for an independent third party - I
give you one -and without even looking at my patents - you deconstruct
and attempt to destroy faith in the third party I name. Obviously,
you are not a fair minded unbiased observer. You have an axe to
grind.

No, you are wrong in your assertion. Dead wrong. Plainly, having a
patent means that the invention works as advertised to provide the
utility claimed for it. This is a legal requirement for the patent
to be in force. More effort is spent, more time is spent, and more
money is spent, reviewing patents for issue than is spent on an
article that appears in a peer reviewed publication such as Nature or
Science.

Of course you already knew that.

Nonsense. You speak as if they give away patents for the asking.
Nothing is further from the truth. So, I know nothing of the sort
you describe.

I spent 3 years and $20,000 for each of my patents, for US coverage,
and another $30,000 and another 2 years for PCT coverage in ALL OTHER
patent offices throughout the world. It is quite an ordeal, and the

 All we have is you saying that you invented
this device that can do these things,

I have patents.  Go to the USPTO web site type in Mook and Solar and
see.

Thats great.  Now how about something that proves the idea works.

If you would take the trouble to actually read the patent, you would
see that NASA's Glenn Research Center in Cleveland verified the
operation of high intensity PV devices at 2,400x solar intensity in
their space environment chamber. This was instrumental in getting a
patent.

but there are no photos,

go tohttp://www.usoal.comandfill out the contact information and
ask for photos I will send you some.

I might do that but I'm not sure why you don't just put the photos up
for all to see.

I have my reasons. I want to know who has them, and I want to mark
each photoname uniquely so I can track where they end up - until my
reasons change.

no test
results,

I will send these, or you can review my patents which include test
results of test units.

no articles anywhere.

Please see the 7th article from the top - I don't know why news
organizations ignore me while giving obvious charlatans top billing -
that's not my problem, and fortunately, I'm not dependent on publicity
to fund my projects.

I would be a fool not to be somewhat
skeptical.

You worry about being made out to be a fool - this is a common concern
when dealing with new ideas.  This is your problem, not mine.

I am not worried about being a fool.  

You said you would be a fool not to be somewhat sceptical after
attempting to say things that show you are sceptical -despite them
flying in the face of facts- following a story that you were
originally enthused about my efforts, but after speaking with experts
you respect, you wish not to be seen as uncritically naive. You said
all this, not me. To my mind that tells me you are worried about
being perceived as a fool. This is a reasonable concern among those
who don't really understand a thing.

I am justing pointing out that
only a fool would not be skeptical.  

After saying you were insufficiently skeptical before - to my mind
that tells me - along with your lame attempts at sounding sceptical -
that you are worried about being percieved as a naive fool.

But you already know that.

This is another propaganda technique - gratuitously changing the focus
of attention from your thought process to my thought process - to
avoid embarassing attention on you.

Obviously, me having patents that include test results from NASA, show
that products were built and tested and that they work. The fact
that some patents in the past have not worked, out of the millions
issued, the fact that design patents - ones that do not look at
functionality - have broad utility claims - aren't germaine to my
patents which are recent, and are issued on the basis of functionality
which REQUIRES specific utility claims that are quite solidly based in
a working prototype that was tested.

Clearly, if you took the trouble to read my patents before attempting
to deconstruct and diminish my accomplishment, you would see the
fool's errand you are setting yourself up for. Obviously, you care
little for the truth here. Had you taken care to be fair and honest
you would have at least glanced at my patents and the claims made for
them, and the evidence I cite for my claims.


 That said, I *hope* your claims are true.

I understand, but just because you lack the innate capacity to figure
this out for yourself

.