Re: Is this sci.physics, or by accident, am I reading posts on some crackpt political nesgroup.
- From: Fred Kasner <fkasner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:42:43 -0500
hhc314@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 3, 3:55 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:hhc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:On Jul 2, 1:11 am, DB <a...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:"some kids"? How many, Harry? And do I and my generation whose parentshhc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:Actually Dan, I'm speaking to anyone who posts or reads thisThe message is simple, but if you post here involves other than on theWho are you talking to Harry?- Hide quoted text -
subject of physics, or a topic closely related, everyone here will
ignore your post. Worse too, if you continue to post off topic on
sci.physics, it can be reported to your ISP which usually results in
your Usenet posting capabilities to be totally suspended.
I would like to post about my very negative opinions of certain
political candidates, but notice that I have not chosen to do so on a
once respected scientific newsgroup.
On sci.physics, crackpots and politics finatics are not welcomed, and
really shouldn't post here.
Harry C.
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newsgroup.
Given your background, this should come as not a surprise.
For myself, if I wish to make a political statement or anything but
something having to do with hydrogen, I move to a different
Newsgroup.I have enough sense not to post my, lets say, anti-Obama
views in a sci. newgroup. Other posters here appear to be children
lacking any degree of self restraint and common sense.
Frankly Dan, I have to wonder if some of these posters are as house
broken as is my dog. No disrespect to you Dan, but a generation of
liberal upbringing has created some kids who know no rules, and who in
their entire lives will produce no benefit for humanity.
'Nuff said!
Harry C.
were generally quite liberal fit your political diatribe? I am afraid
your prism is used to decrease the spectrum of light on the subject
rather than spread it out. And no, I don't forgive you for injecting
your political bias into a science NG.
Fred
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Fred, as you well know I make no effort to hide my social and
political viewpoints, nor do you. You lean to the left, while I to the
right. My particular political leanings come as a result of my
education and personal observations. In fact, I don't even know what
the political leanings of my parents were, although like everyone else
in the country, they loved FDR and Harry Truman, both liberal
democrats.
Let me explain where my political and social bias originates, and I
can identify two major factors that shape my political and social
opinions.
First, my heart has a liberal orientation...that is to help others to
improve their lives and elevate themselves in society. That's
certainly a noble and altruistic goal. Unfortunately, it is rarely if
ever realized, not because it is not a noble goal, but the liberals
don't seem to realize how to achive it. Fred, as a conservative, I
have to tip my hat in respect to Harry Truman, who gave the order to
drop two nukes on Japan at a cost of possibly hundreds of thousands of
lives, but on the positive side of that equation his decision likely
saved millions of lives on both sides of WWII. That took courage and
strength of character -- indeed, I am thankful that I didn't have to
make that call. I also regard Jimmy Carter with great regard, who is
about as liberal as you could ever hope for. I believe that it was
Carter's fellow democrats that actually gave Carter the shaft!
OK, now here is what I see today. I see those noble liberal goals
resulting in terrible results when they are actually implemented,
because the liberals appear not to consider the ramifications of their
legislative actions. For example, it would be illegal for an inner-
city school to provide special attention to black or even white
children raised in a home without a father or adequate parential
control and imposed restrictions. So, to fit in with his peers, the
child joins a gang, ultimately commits a felony, and goes to prison at
taxpayer's expense. If and when he is released, the odds are that he
will do the same thing and end up back again in prison.
Fred, when you and I were small children, we both recognized what the
rules were, and to violate these rules held, and often involves
painful consequences when violated. That is illegal today, thanks to
liberal well intended motives. Neither of us has spent time in a
prison as a result of this early learning experience, not because
either of us are that moral, but because we understand the
consequences of our actions. In a liberal environment, many kids don't
learn these basic concepts.
Cutting to the chase, I suppose that I acquired my conservative
orientation while an undergraduate student at Drexel. Strangely,
while taking a required course in economics. On the first lecture, our
assignment was to read and digest Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations".
As a physics major and somewhat a nerd, reading this book opened my
eyes to what actually drives commerce and ultimately how nations
become wealthy or sink into slime.
Reading that one book gave me a bit of convervative insight into the
problems that the US is now experiencing. First of all, you never
should sell your "cash cow"!!!!
American's did sell the "cash cow", starting around 1950 and extending
throgh today today. That "cash cow" was earlier known as trade secrets
and is now labeled "intellectual property or patent rights". So now a
whole gang of people are walking around today wondering why the
foreign nations can compete wih us on semiconductors, computers,
television sets, steel, heavy equipment. etc. "Experts" are now
sitting in their offices trying to figure out why jobs are decreasing
and our economy is a disaster. The evidently have no clue.
For us older guys with a window of over 50 years, it's pretty obvious.
This is something that we conserative have caused, and the nexus is
the Harvard School of Business which teaches its students to maximize
short term profits while ignoring the long term.
this strategy has made many capitalists very wealthy. at the mere
expense of thousand of workers losing their jobs.
So Fred, you now know that I can make an argument on both sides.
Not that you asked, but regarding the likely candidates, my view is
that neither is qualified to hold office. Haopefully, at the party
conventtions, a dark horse willl emerge...but that is unlikely.
Harry C.
That next to last conjecture is one with which I heartily concur. I hold no brief for the excesses of either end of the political spectrum. On one side is class warfare engendered by hate and envy. On the other is greed without commensurate generosity of spirit. I try to find a balance that serves the best interest of the continuation of the Republic. I find that capitalism serves the interests of that body better than unfettered socialism (save our generally acceptable socialism of schools, national parks, postal system, and others that are anathema to the far right. But my real concern is that we have a far right that has no generosity of spirit that controls the Supreme Court and the levers of fairness of the government. And so I gamble that the Dem will learn enough on the job to govern well but fear it will only lead to a further reaction on the part of the electorate and further entrench political reaction in the Supreme Court. The actions of the court are the one long term feature of our governmental system. And a reactionary court is what I fear the most. Stupidity on the part of Bush Jr. has cost us much in the way we respect and view our country as well as the way we are viewed around the world. And the commitment to short term greed has drained our technical prowress and even our commitment to defense of our country and its best interests. But what can you expect from a person who used family influence to avoid Viet Nam and even avoided his duty in the National Guard. He has made a mockery of national leadership and hurt the ability of the Republican Party to offer a reasonable alternative to even a modestly liberal Democrat. I believe that a party that brought us emancipation and abolition of slavery can't be all wrong for all time.
FK
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