Re: Low cost hydrogen today

On Jan 7, 10:05 am, william.m...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:42 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:



BradGuth wrote:
william.m...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
william.mook wrote:

The panels are z-folded together into shipping blocks 8 ft x 12 ft x 50 ft
in size.  They are transported to the site, and installed by a specially
modified tractor.

How many panels have actually been installed?

You don't expect a direct answer to that do you ?

why not?  haha ...  none have been installed on site as yet.  many
have been installed at test sites for a variety of purposes.  Two
sites each 480,000 acres are being prepared, and are covered totally
starting in 2010 - completed in 2011 - in 500 days of production.127
million panels are produced and installed on the two sites - one in
Borneo one in Sumatra.

Does our pathetic DoE, ENRON or ExxonMobil know anything about any of
this?

I appreciate that you guys in the USA have limited intelligence, insight and
imagination but BP (previously British Petroleum) has been busy converting itself into
an 'energy company', not just oil.

" BP/Amoco was a member of the Global Climate Coalition an industry organization
established to promote global warming skepticism but withdrew in 1997, saying "the
time to consider the policy dimensions of climate change is not when the link between
greenhouse gases and climate change is conclusively proven, but when the possibility
cannot be discounted and is taken seriously by the society of which we are part. We in
BP have reached that point." ................

British Petroleum changed its name to BP in 2000, and introduced a new corporate
slogan: “Beyond Petroleum.” It replaced its “Green Shield” logo with the helios
symbol, a green and yellow sunflower pattern similar to the emblem of the Green Party
of Canada. These changes were intended to highlight the company’s interest in
alternative and environmentally friendly fuels. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BPhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bp-s...

Graham

BP has promoted for advertising purposes the 'beyond petroleum'
schtick, but a glance at a recent 10K shows that 99.99% of their
revenue is still earned from discovering, developing, retrieving,
refining, distributing, and retailing, crude oil products and
derivatives.

Infomercial words and hype are dirt cheap. Actions and results are
not so cheap.

The GM Volt is mostly words and hype (Madoff and Ponzi comes to mind).

I've long ago suggested h2o2/aluminum as the high energy density
battery or sort of h2o2 fuel cell for their GM Volt.

The h2o2+synfuel application for accommodating an extremely small but
also extremely powerful little one-cycle combustion turbine that would
1:1 drive a compact 100 KW alternator (perhaps all of 10 kg) was also
specified. Absolute minimal CO2, no atmosphere of mostly N2 consumed
and zero NOx (could run safely under water as well as at 15,000'),
giving 67 MJ/kg of synfuel. H2O2 and synfuel or common fossil fuel
each easily and safely stored, with < 360 miles range per tank.

~ BG
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