Re: Post-petroleum World?
From: nospam (nospam_at_nospam.net)
Date: 06/02/04
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 04:14:48 GMT
Ok, Schilling.
You're an egghead. We bow to your superior intellect.
Now, YOU go tell these farmers that are using the 9620 JD's around here that
diesel is about to become expensive and that 100,000+ bucks they just
shelled out for just the tractor alone is worthless and they are going to
have to shell out 200,000+ bucks for a new tractor that uses hydrogen, and
oh, btw, we're not going to give you higher prices for your product, because
the consumers are already unwilling to pay the REAL cost of food.
I'll put the pieces of your body in a bag and mail them back to your
relatives.
Otherwise, you are going to die of famine.
And btw, I work daily on a Clark engine that would put your silly assed
hydrogen engine to shame.
I'll put it this way. It's a simple lil V16. Oh, and just the turbocharger
is 10 ft in diameter. Let's see you power that with your silly assed
hydrogen.
"John Schilling" <schillin@spock.usc.edu> wrote in message
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> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.net> writes:
>
> >"Wayne Throop" <throopw@sheol.org> wrote in message
> >news:1085804287@sheol.org...
> >> : "nospam" <nospam@nospam.net>
> >> : So, what's the progression from the tractor? You gonna have a
nuclear
> >> : powered tractor doing farmwork?
>
> >> Doubtless, though you don't mention it, you have some reason why
> >> synthesized hydrogen could not possibly be used in refitted farm
> >equipment.
>
> >Umm, yeah, now that you mention it.. hydrogen is a joke.
> >475+Hp tractors run on diesel for a reason. Energy density. Think you're
> >wimpy little hydrogen can match diesel?
>
> You know, I've actually laid hands on a hydrogen-fueled engine the size
> and weight of a big-block V-8, with a shaft power of sevety-five
*thousand*
> horse. You got a diesel to match that?
>
> Shall I mention that this engine existed to run the *fuel pump* for an
> *even bigger* hydrogen engine?
>
> Wimpy little hydrogen, indeed :-)
>
>
> >And you would have to have a tank the size of 10 acres to supply enough
of
> >the wimpy stuff to fuel a tractor for 10 minutes or work.
>
> Ok, anonymous-boy, math time:
>
> First off, your "475+HP tractors" are anything but standard. The only
thing
> in the entire John Deere catalog that qualifies, and that barely, is their
> largest model, the 9620 at 500 brake horsepower.
>
> Second, a 500 horsepower engine running full power for eight hours, will
> burn roughly 300 kilograms of hydrogen.
>
> Right outside my office, is a 5000 psi storage tank capable of holding
> a bit over 600 kilograms of hydrogen (or twice that of helium, its present
> application). The tank is 1.6 meters in diameter, 14 meters long, and
> weighs about 40 metric tons. We only need half that, so a 20-ton, 7-meter
> tank. Or two, 10-ton, 3.5-meter tanks.
>
> The John Deere 7920 has a 3.5-meter wheelbase and a 1.6 meter tread width,
> so there's room to fit a dual-tank "saddle" over the present wheel x tread
> footprint, which from the pictures is presently empty space. And the
> 7920 is rated to carry up to 24 tons of ballast.
>
> Now, compressed gas is about the *least* efficient way to store hydrogen,
> vice hydride or liquid, and saddle tanks the least efficient way to add
> major compressed-gas storage to a vehicle (a trailer would be better,
> or just stopping for gas every four hours), and yet even if we do it the
> hard way the math still works out.
>
>
> >Sorry, just ain't gonna happen. Kinda like the idiots who think you
> >could have a battery powered solar tractor.
>
> You might have done better to argue with those idiots, then, wouldn't you?
>
>
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