Re: World's First Fuel Cell-Powered Train Locomotive Slated for 2008
From: Ian St. John (istjohn_at_noemail.ca)
Date: 08/11/04
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:09:59 -0400
Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote:
> "Ian St. John" <istjohn@noemail.ca> wrote in message
> news:<nxgSc.21048$Mq1.1016795@news20.bellglobal.com>...
>> advantages. Taken from discussion of car hybrids. The old prius cost
>> $50,000 because they went with a complex hybrid designe emphasising
>> a complete frame to frame design specificially for hybrid operation
>> including lightweigh body, etc. It was going nowhere so they
>> switched from the 'peak performance' model to a 'give it an edge'
>> model which resulted in a car of about the same costs $20,000 or so
>> but with higher gas mileage than the equivalent ICE only car.
>
> What nationality is that $,
I'm not sure. The advertisements are ususally ambiguous. Most annoying when
visiting websites since some of them don't even have a contact address adn
you have to guess a bit. The numbers are not particularly important. The
ratio is.
> and what do you mean by "old Prius" vs new Prius?
That should be obvious from context, since I am describing the difference in
the later model years.
> And what is your "equivalent ICE only car" since there is no gas-only
version of the Prius?
A theoretical comparison to a non hybrid equivalent based on similar body,
speed, etc.
>
> I'm guessing that you mean Canadian $. Like in the US, the Prius was
> first introduced in Canada for the 2001 model year. I don't think
> I've heard of any of the original Japanese Prius (1998-2000 model
> year) being imported to Canada. My recollection is that pricing in
> Canada has remained similar between the "classic" Prius (2001-2003
> model years) and the new 2004 Prius. (In the US, MSRP for the 2004
> Prius at introduction was the same as the 2001 Prius at $19995,
> although the 2004's MSRP just went up $300 in June.)
So probably I was quoting $US.
>
> All of the Prius have been developed from the ground up (well, the
> 2001-2003 Prius was an improvement over the Japanese 1998-2000 Prius).
> The 2004 Prius is a different body (was a compact sedan, now a
> midsize hatchback), but is another hybrid drive refinement.
Yes. In addition to lower price the light hybrid design added more spacious
body design.
> The Prius
> has always been a low-emissions vehicle, and the MPG is just a nice
> side-benefit. (Each model refinement has been getting lower
> emissions...)
The main goal of the hybrid was gas mileage in my book. Nowhere do they
advertise low emissions and consumer demand for low emissions vehicles is
small compared to low fuel consumption vehicles.
>
> Toyota does have a peak performance hybrid (think sports car), but so
> far it's only in the concept phase.
Probably trying to recoup their investment in lightweigh body panels.
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