Re: Hydro Ocean Power - Tidal gererators
From: Don Kelly (dhky_at_peeshaw.ca)
Date: 08/13/04
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:24:19 GMT
"Gordon Muir" <gordonmuir2003google@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Don Kelly" <dhky@peeshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Gordon Muir" <gordonmuir2003google@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:81f1ac17.0408100858.4959d94d@posting.google.com...
> > > > > Thanks for all your replies,im posting this again because i
believe it
> > > > > can work and thanks for the U.S. energy websites,i have sent my
idea
> > > > > to them aswell.
> > > > >
> > > > > The examples given to proove it would not work dont take into
> > > > > consideration all the forces of the sea and gravity and water
pressure
> > > > > and weight,its like saying you cant fly at mach 3 because the
plane
> > > > > would melt or the structure would warp but the Black Bird spy
plane
> > > > > got around all these problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gordon Muir.
> > > >
> > > > Actually they do. The principles are well established and known.
Read
> > about
> > > > Bernouli- also find out why one can't use a canvas fire hose as a
> > syphon.
> > > > Wishful thinking doesn't substitute for analysis.
> > > > --
> > > > Don Kelly
> > > > dhky@peeshaw.ca
> > > > remove the urine to answer
> > >
> > > Hmmm............
> > >
> > > I had not noticed this argument before but now that I have I find
some of
> > > the replies somewhat in the form of boiler plate denial.
> > >
> > > We use the Bernouli valves in chemical injections systems with regard
to
> > > applying nutrients to the water in hydroponics food production.
> > >
> > > Were it not for the unmeasured and random times of extreme destructive
> > > violence produced by the seas' actions we would have more diligently
> > > harnessed their forces long ago. Research and experience will at some
> > point
> > > in time assertain at what cost it is practicle to move forward with
> > > installation of huge working units. Today we have several sources of
> > energy
> > > which stave off the need to rely significantly on harnessing the sea
and
> > > embracing the ensuing high costs of doing so.
> > >
> Thanks James Curts for the website below,do you live in Scotland and
> what do you think about my seabed scoop hydro power idea?
>
> I looked at all the other inventions on the website like tidal wave
> machines and propeller turbines and compared to my idea they are very
> complicated and not very efficient and would not even produce one
> percent of the electricity my idea would produce,my idea could power a
> whole city and all the vehicals aswell if they had electric engines.
>
> They should replace the turbine propellers with giant corkscrew
> propellers inside a funnel,this would create 100% percent efficiency
> by concentrating all the force of the water pressure onto the
> propellers,the same should be done with wind farm turbine
> propellers,at the moment they are only running at 1%-5% percent of the
> power they could produce.
>
> Gordon Muir.
Sorry Gordon- 100%efficiency is not possible. There will always be losses.
Secondly- why do you think a corkscrew propeller would be better than
existing turbines which are typically about 95% efficient?. Certainly not
on the basis of engineering and physical principles. Thirdly-your seabed
scoop idea has been broached before- and variations of this have cropped
up. -all unworkable-though some harder to prove so. . Is your thinking based
on any knowledge of the physics involved? From what you have written, it
does not.
I mentioned Bernouli before- wrong principle-sorry. Try "hydrostatics" or
Pascal. Simply putting a tube with a scoop in water will not do anything.
You are not increasing pressure in any way.
-- Don Kelly dhky@peeshaw.ca remove the urine to answer --------snip---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > "Gordon Muir" <gordonmuir2003google@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:81f1ac17.0408081147.140422e0@posting.google.com... > > > > > > > I have a hydro ocean power idea that works by putting a giant > > scoop > > on > > > > > > > the sea floor with a pipe connected to the bottom then going along > > the > > > > > > > sea floor up to a power generator on land,what happens is the > > water > > > > > > > pressure is concentrated into the scoop like a jet engine air > > intake > > > > > > > and the water pressure in the pipe would be greater than gravity > > so > > it > > > > > > > would be powrful enough to turn the generator then the water goes > > out > > > > > > > another pipe into the sea,so this would create constant electric > > power > > > > > > > supply cheaper than any other form of power so all the poor > > countries > > > > > > > like Afria could have these power stations,all vehicals could get > > > > > > > electric engines and all petrol stations could be turned into > > electric > > > > > > > stations,this would cut nearly all world pollution and global > > warming > > > > > > > and the destruction to the ozone within a year and people who live > > in > > > > > > > cities like Los Angeles would become healthier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people have told me this would not work but im sure it would > > work > > > > > > > if designed properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.monolithicdome.com > > > > > > > Tornado and hurricane proof dome buildings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gordon Muir. > > > > > > >
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