Re: E <=> MC^2 generally ...and also inside living things!

From: Dan Bloomquist (EXTRApublic20_at_lakeweb.com)
Date: 08/14/04 

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:35:22 GMT

Harry Conover wrote:
> Dan Bloomquist <EXTRApublic20@lakeweb.com> wrote in message news:<411BEDF6.1060200@lakeweb.com>...
>
>>Harry Conover wrote:
>>
>>>Dan Bloomquist <EXTRApublic20@lakeweb.com> wrote in message news:<411AE511.6010602@lakeweb.com>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Harry Conover wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Fritz, I doubt that anyone who has completed Physics 101 or its
>>>>>preliminaries would dispute the. The point is that anti-matter largely
>>>>>exists only in a sub-atomic physics venue, frequently for only
>>>>>milliseconds or less, and the notion that useful quantities of
>>>>>anti-matter can be either produced or contained is the Sci-Fi part.
>>>>
>>>>Goodness Harry, not even close. Use this google search:
>>>>"antiproton" "storage time" cern Accumulator.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Best, Dan.
>>>
>>>
>>>Dan, I am of course familiar with storage rings and Penning traps.
>>>Notwithstanding, my comments remain entirely correct.
>>
>>If you say so. :)
>>
>>But I consider, 'only milliseconds (quantified) or less, and the notion
>>that useful quantities (unquantified?) of anti-matter can be either
>>produced or contained is the Sci-Fi part (Fiction)', unqualified. The
>>TeV33 project provides the contradiction.
>>
>>
>>> Harry C.
>>
>>Best, Dan.
>
>
>
> Dan, you're not considering the original context of the post to which
> I responded.
>
> The anti-proton storage systems you cite store possibly 10^10
> anti-protons, repesenting an energy potential of less than a
> micro-Joule, which were produced by the expenditure of many
> mega-Joules. Certainly their only use so far is in the induction of
> sub-atomic physics reactions and medical research.

Hi Harry,
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but they are looking at a stacking rate of
10E12 and total storage of 10E13. But their objective is luminosity, not
fuel. There are studies out there that describe the practicality of
antimatter fuel, it is not science fiction. The TeV33 storage time is
typically hours instead of milliseconds.

>
> The Sci-Fi venue, on the other hand, depicts them as being applied to
> the propulsion of star ships and other energy intensive applications,
> which obviously will never happens unless someone comes up with an
> innovative method of producing anti-matter in vast quantities at low
> energy costs, in situ and on-demand. This is very unlikely to ever
> happen.

Being economically impractical is another matter. It looks like a
magnitude of additional expense for antimatter propulsion from here. But
we have the science to produce and store antimatter fuel. It is only a
technical challenge.

>
> My use of the term "practical applicatons" referred of course to the
> Sci-Fi "practical applications", not sub-atomic and medical research
> conducted at the pico-Joule energy level.

> Kindest regards, Harry C.

Best, Dan. 

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