Electro Magnetic Power - Hydro Ocean Power - Tidal gererators

From: Gordon Muir (gordonmuir2003google_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 08/18/04 

Date: 18 Aug 2004 09:59:35 -0700

Thanks Jonesy for your advice,i will try my ideas as soon as i have
the time and money but i was passing it on to anyone else who had the
time and money to try it to see if it worked and they would gain the
benefits for free,i was watching a programme on television about
electro magnetic trains that could get up to 300mph-400mph and these
magnets could be used to turn turbine generators,what do you say?

Gordon Muir.

shadetree1999@hotmail.com (Jonesy) wrote in message news:<674f706a.0408171707.4afd469d@posting.google.com>...
> gordonmuir2003google@yahoo.com (Gordon Muir) wrote in message news:<81f1ac17.0408160730.58d8a582@posting.google.com>...
> > K. Jones,i have sent my ideas to lots of energy companies around the
> > world,like the the california energy department and to renewable
> > energy groups,
>
> I see. But you missed the point of my question. Has anyone responded
> ~positively~ to your ideas? All the replies I've seen, indicate why
> it is ~impossible~ for your idea to work. So, if so many people have
> indicated it cannot work, and simple experiments you could do to
> verify that, were suggested to you, the question is: "Why would you
> ~continue~ to post this ~without~ doing any experimentation to see for
> yourself whether the idea can work or not?"
>
> im very serious about my idea and im only posting it
>
> If you are serious, then do the experiments, ~then~ continue the
> debate.
>
> > here because a year ago i had not found anywhere else to send it
> > to,but now i have and im still posting it here because people have
> > posted a lot of interesting energy websites and information,
>
> Multiple posting to all kinds of places of a wrong idea, does not make
> it any more valid.
>
> I DONT
> > HAVE TO POST IT HERE,I WAS GIVING MY IDEA AWAY FOR FREE,I THOUGHT I
> > WAS GIVING PEOPLE A FANTASTIC REVOLUTIONARY IDEA WHICH THEY WOULD OF
> > APPRECIATED,
>
> Great. Your heart was in the right place. The ~intent~ is good, but
> the idea is flawed. Known physics and observations state that it
> cannot work. Good intentions don't make it work any better than
> multiple postings.
>
> >the examples you give to test the hydro idea would not
> > work because there has to be huge natural forces and pressures for it
> > to work,
>
> Woah. Back the truck up. Now you are grasping at straws. "huge
> natural forces and pressures" are needed?
> What "natural forces" are you talking about. We measure the "natural
> forces" you are talking about in units like pressure, temperature,
> volume, inertia, etc. All of these things are measurable. What
> "natural forces" are you talking about that are currently unknown to
> phyics?
>
> Huge pressures? Nope. Look, the "static pressure" at any given depth
> of water is calcuable, known, etc. For example, if you tell me you
> need to put it 1000 ft below the surface of the water for it to work,
> I can tell you that the pressure at that end of the pipe, will be
> approx. 468 psi. However deep you put it, it makes ~no difference~ at
> all, the principal is exactly the same as if you put it 10 feet under
> water at 5 psi. The water will rise in the tube to the level of the
> surface water, and that's it. Put it a million feet under water, it's
> just the same. No ~huge~ pressures are going to make it any
> different.
> Suggesting some unknown ~natural forces~ are going to make it
> different is just plain silly.
>
>
> thanks anyway for your advice,what sort of jobs and skills
> > have you had?
>
> Well, I'm not going to post my resume, but I am an engineer, who
> worked in the commercial power industry for a number of years. I have
> been a renewable energy "enthusiast" for pretty much my entire life,
> built my first solar thermal panel when I was fifteen. Currently
> exploring going "off grid" using wind generation, active and passive
> solar power, etc. Holding certification in waste water treatment, and
> hazmat "specialist", makes me keenly aware of many pollution issues we
> face. I would strongly love to find "the answer" to our energy needs
> that reduce the toxins we spew out daily to our environment, and leave
> a cleaner, better world to my children.
>
> You are "preaching to the chior" here Mr. Muir, I'm not trying to
> discourage your ~intent~ either, I wish it would work. But wishing
> won't make it happen, and wasting time on something physically
> impossible (and easily checked with the experimental examples given)
> takes away from time and resources better spent finding a workable
> idea.
>
> Try the experiment, then move onto something else.
>
> K. Jones
>
>
> > Gordon Muir.
> >
> > "K. Jones" <shadetree1999@hotmailNODAMNSPAM.com> wrote in message news:<ciQTc.864$ZI1.90882@news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > > "Gordon Muir" <gordonmuir2003google@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:81f1ac17.0408151018.4f202a39@posting.google.com...
> > > > My very detailed important reply to Don Kelly is further down just
> > > > incase you miss it or bypass it.
> > > > Gordon Muir.
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > Gordon Muir wrote;
> > > > > > I looked at all the other inventions on the website like tidal wave
> > > > > > machines and propeller turbines and compared to my idea they are very
> > > > > > complicated and not very efficient and would not even produce one
> > > > > > percent of the electricity my idea would produce,my idea could power a
> > > > > > whole city and all the vehicals aswell if they had electric engines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They should replace the turbine propellers with giant corkscrew
> > > > > > propellers inside a funnel,this would create 100% percent efficiency
> > > > > > by concentrating all the force of the water pressure onto the
> > > > > > propellers,the same should be done with wind farm turbine
> > > > > > propellers,at the moment they are only running at 1%-5% percent of the
> > > > > > power they could produce.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gordon Muir.
> > > >
> > > > WIND TURBINE.
> > > > What i mean is the propellers are probably very efficient but not for
> > > > wind turbines but a corkscrew propellor inside a cone shape would
> > > > concentrate all the force of the wind onto the blades but with normal
> > > > aeroplane propellors the wind is skimming of the blades and there is
> > > > very little surface for the wind to push against then there is the air
> > > > friction to slow the blades down,if all these wind turbines i see
> > > > being put up all over the U.K. had corkscrew propellors there power
> > > > would increase at least 4 times more output of electricity.
> > > >
> > > > The wind has to blow into the corkscrew which has a rod axle running
> > > > through the centre inside horizontaly and all this would be incased in
> > > > a funnel to concentrate the air pressure onto the blades and this
> > > > would stop nearly all air friction from slowing the outside of the
> > > > blades down and there would be a tail fin on the narrow end of the
> > > > funnel to direct the widder end into the wind,a crankshaft could be
> > > > attached to the underside of the corkscrew to turn the turbine
> > > > generators.
> > >
> > > All of your "ideas" are very simple to test in real life, why wouldn't you
> > > try a simple example before you post this stuff?
> > >
> > > Got a funnel?
> > >
> > > Hold the big end towards the wind, see if if you get "at least 4 times" the
> > > wind
> > > blowing out the little end.
> > >
> > > Go read about the principals of how wind generators work.
> > > Study the math, try some examples.
> > > Figure out why volume is important.
> > >
> > > > HYDRO OCEAN POWER.
> > > > I dont mean you just put a pipe with a giant scoop on the sea bed and
> > > > let it fill up with water,obviously that would not work,what you do is
> > > > have a giant valve or sluice gate at the end of the pipe near the
> > > > scoop then you open it as fast as possible so that the cheer force of
> > > > the water creats momentum
> > >
> > > No difference. Put a valve on the bottom of the 12 foot pvc pipe from
> > > our first failed experiment. Open the valve quickly. Notice pipe filling
> > > fast, then slower, then slower, then stopping, level with the surface of the
> > > water.
> > >
> > > Why don't you try these things out before posting?
> > >
> > > > but if this does not work you could have
> > >
> > > It doesn't.
> > >
> > > > another pipe running back out of the power station along the top of
> > > > the other pipe back out to the giant scoop and have it curved into the
> > > > top of the scoop so that the water coming back out of the power
> > > > station forces down into the scoop to keep the momentum and water
> > > > pressure going so that you have perpetual water going in and out of
> > > > the pipes,ITS THAT SIMPLE,and if it works
> > >
> > > It doesn't work, ITS THAT SIMPLE.
> > >
> > > Try it.
> > >
> > > > electricity would become
> > > > very cheap,this means everything else would become very cheap so
> > > > people would have more money and crime would come down aswell,all cars
> > > > and all transportation could be powered by electric engines which
> > > > would end most pollution and make transportation costs cheaper so
> > > > everything on sale in the shops would become cheaper aswell.
> > > >
> > > > Gordon Muir.
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Now there is no doubt you are simply trolling. The experiments are so very
> > > simple, that the only reason I can see that you would post this nonsense
> > > without trying it out
> > > to see if it works first, is cause you're bored, and getting amusement out
> > > of the
> > > replies.
> > >
> > > K. Jones

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