Re: World's First Fuel Cell-Powered Train Locomotive Slated for 2008

From: daestrom (daestrom_at_NO_SPAM_HEREtwcny.rr.com)
Date: 08/19/04 

Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:59:33 GMT

"Ian St. John" <istjohn@noemail.ca> wrote in message
news:cCdUc.7957$ZI1.361860@news20.bellglobal.com...
> daestrom wrote:
> > "Ian St. John" <istjohn@noemail.ca> wrote in message
> > news:bofTc.27270$a65.1160570@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >
> >>
> >> Sorry. I tell it like it is. America the incompetent, and
> >> anti-social.
> >
> > Anti-social, perhaps. Incompetent, that's a bit of an exageration
> > since we 'incompetent' Americans have accomplished quite a few things
> > in every decade since the 1800's. Just as European's have (when they
> > weren't fighting and killing each other).
>
> Did I mention arrogant and blowhard? Sorry. Slipped my mind.
>
> >
> > The
> >> only thing they are good at these days is warfare and even there
> >> only when they can run it by pushbutton.
> >
> > Hmmm.. Europe didn't seem to mind it when we fought it the
> > 'old-fashioned' way in helping liberate a few countries over there.
>
> Very late and with your industries outside of the battlefield the
untouched
> production capacity of the U.S. helped turn the tide by bombing from high
> altitude ( there is that fear of actual warfare again) after the British
had
> pretty much decimated the German air supremacy. The invasion, of course,
was
> the real effort which took the 'fresh troops' of the U.S. finally allowed
to
> do some real work, (war is won by the troops 'on the ground' a truism).
>
> But the war had already been effectively won by England and the
Commonwealth
> countries, by keeping the victory from Hitler during 1939 to 1942.

True, England and the Channel held Hitler at bay in the battle of Britain.
But 'effectively won' is baloney. If the invasion in Europe was delayed by
6 - 9 months, the German jet fighter, V2 rocket and their own atomic bomb
research would have been the outcome. Holding the third Reich at bay did
not 'effectively' win anything but some time.

> If they
> hadn't, the U.S. would probably be talking German now because they would
> have been fighting the whole of the Eurasian continent without a foothold
to
> launch a retaliation from. In other words, the water barrier that kept
them
> from being involved in 'europes war' would then have been a barrier to
> defense when Germany or Japan got the nuclear bomb working. Remember that
> the Manhattan project did not start until Ameirca had joined the war and
> they would have been just one more victim if Europe had not held Hitler
off
> long enough for Japan to kick your butts into some sort of belated action.
> Got to admit that after a long time sitting on the sidelines, the fresh
> troops looked good in relation to the battle weary Europeans. And that is
> NOT a compliment.
>

Actually, the first US engagements in north africa were abysmal. But if the
US hadn't entered the war when it did, how much longer do you think Great
Britain would have been able to hold out? Even before officially entering
the war, UK was receiving massive shipments of food and supplies from US (US
merchant marine lost more lives than the US navy to Hitler's wolf-packs).

As for the 'water barrier', Hitler recognized one of Europe's weaknesses is
Africa to the south. Any number of points on the southern shore of the
Mediteranian could serve as a staging area for an invasion. Unfortunately,
he could not hold the north African shores.

> The other scenario that I can think of is a victorious German Eurasia
> attacking from the East while the victorious Japanese attack from the West
> to 'split the loot'.
>
> But keep bragging. It makes it easy to show you up.
>
> The problem is really not yours. The problem is the separate
public/private
> school systesm that teach the peasants to be manipulatable 'useful idiot'
> filled with slogans and empty of thought, while the private schools teach
> their members to be 'natural supermen' ala racial or individual
superiority.
> A training that the sons and daughters of the elite need to keep them from
> remembering just how incompetent they really are.
>
> And the issue was not the America of 1942 but of the America of 2003. They
> are VERY different animals. Much more in common with Hitlers fascism than
> Europe and the Allies.
>

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