Re: reformation of CO2 into gasoline

bernxard_at_yahoo.com.au
Date: 02/22/05

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    Date: 21 Feb 2005 20:20:14 -0800
    
    

    jojocrazypa...@yahoo.com wrote:
    > Does anybody know if the combustion of any hydrocarbon fuel in
    general
    > and gasoline specifically can be reversed with the input of energy?
    > Has a process been developed to do this? If the chemical equation
    for
    > the combustion of isooctane is:
    >
    > 2 C8H18 + 25 O2 => 16 CO2 + 18 H2O + energy
    >
    > than has a process been developed to generate the following reaction:
    >
    > 16 CO2 + 18 H2O + energy = 2 C8H18 + 25 O2

    The process can be accomplised indirectly. Forms of the Fischer
    Tropsch reaction over cobalt catalysts will produce hydrocarbones
    mainly diesel. The reaction is however:

    nCO2 + (3n+2)H2 -> nCH2 + 2nH2O and is exothermic. It is better at
    producing diesel than gasoline and has been considered by a German
    institute called ZSW from synthesising fuel from CO2/air and
    electrolytic hydrogen. The overall proecess was around 44% efficient.

    There is also the Lurgi Reaction over copper/zink.

    CO2+3H2 -> CH3OH + CO2. The Methanol can be converted to gasoline via
    the MTG (Methanol To Gasoline Process).

    Ethanol can also be made by a similar reaction using molydenum sulphite
    instead of copper/zink. There is also an ETG process.

    There is also the Sabatir reaction

    CO2 + 4H2 -> CH4 + 2H20 (ie methane)

    >
    > How efficient is this process?

    I believe the German ZSW process was 38% if faily inefficient (70%)
    alkalyne electroysers were used and if the CO2 was extracted from the
    air. If high termperature electrolysis was used then 60% could
    theoretically be achieved: perhaps more but I thnk state of the art now
    would be around 44%.

    Inmdeed they said that the costs of compression or liqifaction are
    enormous. Electrolysis plus compression is around 65% efficient and
    Electrolysis with liquifaction around 57%

    It seems to me that if the amount of
    > energy input was reasonable, this would be more attractive than using
    > hydrogen as a way to store energy for use by a powered vehicle. The
    > whole "hydrogen economy" idea hinges on using either fossil fuels as
    > the initial energy source (accomplishing essentially nothing), or
    > renewable energy. Either way there are the significant problems of
    > distribution and storage on the vehicle itself and development of
    fuel
    > cells.
    >
    > Can we use our existing infrastructure and fleet of vehicles and
    > produce fuel with renewable energy? If we can obtain the CO2 for the
    > reaction by scrubbing the atmoshphere then we can make the use of
    > gasoline a global warming neutral proposition (at least for the
    portion
    > of fuel that we produce from renewable sources).


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