Re: Natural origin of oil vs organic origin, a joke?

In article <EboQe.149$v83.22@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
ghelfert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
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>Why do you feel that because oil is abiotic that it can not be depleted?

"Cannot be depleted" would be a too strong expression. The earth
after all has only a finite mass.

But vast amounts there must be, since oil naturally forms
in the mantle as soon as carbon and hydrogen are present,
and those two elements are among the most common in the
universe. In the earth's mantle, they should be plentiful too.

Also, read what an actual expert on the matter, Kenney, writes,
as quoted in my "UNITE! Info #243en":

"Correctly, one should better recognize that there exists no
more reason to expect a future shortage of petroleum than of,
say, mid-oceanic ridge basalt (MORB). [MORB is the rock
characteristic of the loci of the deep suture, spreading
zones on the mid-ocean floor where new oceanic crust is
constantly being erupted from the mantle of the Earth.]
Those predictive errors obtain specifically from neglect
of several extremely large potential sources of petroleum,
of which a few are set forth here.
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The potential that certain of the petroleum fields presently
producing may be drawing pressured hydrocarbons from an open
and active fault or conduit from the mantle, and therefore
may never be depleted§ has been entirely neglected, as has
the potential to develop non-depleting fields by deep drilling.
(Mahfoud and Beck 1995)"

NB, he talks about the possibility of finding an open
or active conduit from the mantle - "no depletion then".

The authors mentioned had a title for an article:

[From the article's reference notes: Mahfoud, R. F. and
J. N. Beck (1995). ?Why the Middle East fields may produce
oil forever.? Offshore April 1995: 58-64, 106.]

Rolf M.





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>"Rolf Martens" <rolf.martens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> In article <qZhQe.1354$4P5.770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> noway@xxxxxxxxx says...
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>>>> Because some very powerful forces in society want people to
>>>> believe that oil (above all) is "scarce", which it might be
>>>> reasonable to suppose if it had biological origins, and
>>>> thus somehow accept the exorbitantly high oil price of today,
>>>> in reality a result of some political manipulations and
>>>> machinations.
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>>>The problem isn't that oil is "scarce", the problem is that cheap oil is
>>>being used at about the same rate that it can be extracted from the
>>>ground.
>>>Very soon, there won't be enough oil to meet worldwide demands for it.
>>>Alternate (read: more expensive) sources of oil can not be used. The
>>>entire world economy depends on cheap oil. The entire world economy will
>>>collapse if cheap oil cannot be produced fast enough to meet demand. If
>>>alternate sources need to be tapped, there might as well be NO oil left on
>>>the entire planet. The result will be the same as if the oil simply
>>>ceased
>>>to exist. The world economy will collapse. -Dave
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>> That's not true at all.
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>> Oil quite enough oil for all needs, for a long time in
>> the future. can be produced at less that $15/bl, at
>> the very most. This can be proved easily.
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>> And most likely, there are enormous amounts which
>> can be produced at the "normal" Middle East or Nigeria
>> cost of $2-3/bl too.
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>> The Saudi oil minister for instance said precisely that,
>> last year - to the discomfort of the US government and
>> some others who want to fleece us all.
>>
>> Rolf M.
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