Re: Natural origin of oil vs organic origin, a joke?

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:35:06 GMT, "Gary Helfert"
<ghelfert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>So you believe oil production is an on going process. I was thinking more
>that these pools of this hydrocarbon were here from the beginning and not an
>on going process.
>I have to think about this for a while. You probably have heard of the
>methane hydrates in the deep waters off Florida. Do you also believe these
>are continually being produced?
>Again I am not promoting any theory, I just like discussing the
>possibilities and enjoy your feedback.

You might want to read Gold's book "The Deep, Hot
Biosphere". It raises some very interesting questions, but
I don't think the case is quite as closed as Rolf claims.

The biotic and abiotic origin theories are not necessarily
mutually exclusive.

Regards,

Bill Ward


>
>"Rolf Martens" <rolf.martens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:FrpQe.145104$dP1.501240@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> In article <EboQe.149$v83.22@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> ghelfert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
>>>
>>>
>>>Why do you feel that because oil is abiotic that it can not be depleted?
>>
>> "Cannot be depleted" would be a too strong expression. The earth
>> after all has only a finite mass.
>>
>> But vast amounts there must be, since oil naturally forms
>> in the mantle as soon as carbon and hydrogen are present,
>> and those two elements are among the most common in the
>> universe. In the earth's mantle, they should be plentiful too.
>>
>> Also, read what an actual expert on the matter, Kenney, writes,
>> as quoted in my "UNITE! Info #243en":
>>
>> "Correctly, one should better recognize that there exists no
>> more reason to expect a future shortage of petroleum than of,
>> say, mid-oceanic ridge basalt (MORB). [MORB is the rock
>> characteristic of the loci of the deep suture, spreading
>> zones on the mid-ocean floor where new oceanic crust is
>> constantly being erupted from the mantle of the Earth.]
>> Those predictive errors obtain specifically from neglect
>> of several extremely large potential sources of petroleum,
>> of which a few are set forth here.
>> ....
>> The potential that certain of the petroleum fields presently
>> producing may be drawing pressured hydrocarbons from an open
>> and active fault or conduit from the mantle, and therefore
>> may never be depleted§ has been entirely neglected, as has
>> the potential to develop non-depleting fields by deep drilling.
>> (Mahfoud and Beck 1995)"
>>
>> NB, he talks about the possibility of finding an open
>> or active conduit from the mantle - "no depletion then".
>>
>> The authors mentioned had a title for an article:
>>
>> [From the article's reference notes: Mahfoud, R. F. and
>> J. N. Beck (1995). "Why the Middle East fields may produce
>> oil forever." Offshore April 1995: 58-64, 106.]
>>
>> Rolf M.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"Rolf Martens" <rolf.martens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>news:R_lQe.32599$d5.187542@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> In article <qZhQe.1354$4P5.770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>>>> noway@xxxxxxxxx says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Because some very powerful forces in society want people to
>>>>>> believe that oil (above all) is "scarce", which it might be
>>>>>> reasonable to suppose if it had biological origins, and
>>>>>> thus somehow accept the exorbitantly high oil price of today,
>>>>>> in reality a result of some political manipulations and
>>>>>> machinations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The problem isn't that oil is "scarce", the problem is that cheap oil is
>>>>>being used at about the same rate that it can be extracted from the
>>>>>ground.
>>>>>Very soon, there won't be enough oil to meet worldwide demands for it.
>>>>>Alternate (read: more expensive) sources of oil can not be used. The
>>>>>entire world economy depends on cheap oil. The entire world economy
>>>>>will
>>>>>collapse if cheap oil cannot be produced fast enough to meet demand. If
>>>>>alternate sources need to be tapped, there might as well be NO oil left
>>>>>on
>>>>>the entire planet. The result will be the same as if the oil simply
>>>>>ceased
>>>>>to exist. The world economy will collapse. -Dave
>>>>
>>>> That's not true at all.
>>>>
>>>> Oil quite enough oil for all needs, for a long time in
>>>> the future. can be produced at less that $15/bl, at
>>>> the very most. This can be proved easily.
>>>>
>>>> And most likely, there are enormous amounts which
>>>> can be produced at the "normal" Middle East or Nigeria
>>>> cost of $2-3/bl too.
>>>>
>>>> The Saudi oil minister for instance said precisely that,
>>>> last year - to the discomfort of the US government and
>>>> some others who want to fleece us all.
>>>>
>>>> Rolf M.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>

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