Re: California spot energy price: $99 MWhr

On Apr 11, 12:45 pm, bradg...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:32 am, dave.walt...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:



On Apr 11, 11:22 am, "bill" <ford_prefec...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 11, 1:10 pm, dave.walt...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Apr 8, 4:57 pm, bradg...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Mar 30, 8:39 am, dave.walt...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Rightnow, the price for power is slightly more than $99/MWhr. Yes, the
entire state load in California is only 27,000 MWs. Hmm....I sense
some price manipulation. AT this price, ALL forms of energy are trying
to come on line and provide power to the grid (solar is not, as the
sun is too low in the sky right now).

David

What's wrong with $100/gallon of petrol/diesel, and with having to pay
$1/kwhr upon average (with california paying at least twice the
national average).

After all, I'm almost certain that other forms of alternative energy
will not be jacking up their prices to suit.
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BradGuth

First, this was the price...and it's not hourly either, it is in 15min
increments. Look at the week I mentioned. The CAL ISO site it cited
has it running as a ticker along the bottom of the page. That point
about Califorinians paying twice the national price IS the point...and
the way the bidding system still works is that almost free geothermal,
cheap nuclear, more expensive NG and alternative power all get the
SAME price, the highest price, not what they bid the price for...it's
a "Dutch auction" and that's never been changed. So, expensive GT's vs
even more expensive wind and solar (I don't think there is actually
any commercial solar in California yet) don't really compete with the
cheaper hydro, geothermal (we have quite a lot of that) and nuclear
all get the same plus $33/MWhr price...or the $99/MWhr price when it
goes that high.

David

Which all strikes me as being exactly as it should be. your KWH
is not better than bob's kwh. however, it does rather beg the qestion
of why there aren't electricity resellers who buy electricity to fill
their reservoirs at the low rates and simply resell at the higher
rates. seems like that would go a ways toward smoothing out the
prices and be quite profitable besides!

If by 'reservoirs' you mean hydro...only 1% of hydroelectric
generators are equipped to reverse polarity on the gens to turn them
into pump storage devices. In California and the West Coast, all hydro
is based on the seasonal snow melt and precipitation. it would be a
huge capital expense to turn the water turbine/generators into pump
storage devices. Worth investigating, though.

David- Hide quoted text -

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That's 100% correct, and the federal and state run energy cartels
would in fact spend every last cent of YOUR money in order to
accomplish that sort of reverse reservoir flooding. It's what
government does best, to waste our loot and precious time to boot,
just as they fully intend to make anything that's solar, wind, tidal
or even future geothermal derived as spendy as all get out.

Hitler and his team of Jewish wizards were actually a whole lot more
energy smart and efficient.
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Brad Guth

Most big projects in the US (and around the world) that have helped
develop the US (and world wide) have been with gov't initiated tax-
payer dollars, be it Lake Mead to the levees in California to the
railroads, interstate hwys, the Tennessee Valley Authority, you name
it. Your argument is a-historical. You bizarro world view of "hitler"
and "jews" knows no parallel universe I'm familiar with.

David

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