Re: Perpetum Mobile Idea #357

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A ball rises in a fish tank and drops down in the air on the side of
the fish tank. The question is how to insert the ball into the bottom
of the fishtank so it rises. Thus a circle can be formed and the fish
tank can be very tall and narrow and the ball small and pushing up
some arm as it rises and an arm down as it drops in the air from it's
weight. There can be many balls. The way I imagine it is some vacuum
that keeps the water in and balls can be pressed inside.

Many balls can be pushed up in a pipe preventing water from coming
down
in the pipe as the balls fill up the pipe space. Balls only move up in
the pipe
below the tank, the water can't make it down as the ball fits in the
pipe to
not allow water to come down passed it. Three balls line up to move up
and
into the tank. A docking station collects a thousand balls before it
rises
collectively a floor. There are docking station alarm sounds as the
loading is
under process. There are yellow lights alarming the ongoing plumelity
dock
alarm process of taking two opposite forces into work.

The balls can be made of wood covered with rubber so they are heavy
when they come down, unlike air filled small rubber balls, but also
make
a large pressure force up. Optimally the weight of the balls
themselves
force in a ball at a time up into the bottom of the water tank, in
which case
the water pressure wins as a heavier force pressing down. Combining
the up pressure and down pressure will only make it close to equal
but not win as a PM.

But think.

The interesting thing is that once balls enter the bottom of the tank
they
can automatically line up up and organize like an egg box so many fit
on
each level, Once on the top it is easy to move the balls off to the
side
from the top of the water, or the top of the tank can have a side
angle
to move the balls automatically toward one exit side, they can even
pop
up and shoot up and out on their own at an angular exit of the tank,
but
they can't pop into the water with their weight just as easilty
through
the bottom of the tank.

A good way to test this is reverse what's going on. Replace air with
water
and water with air. Now instead of a water tank we have an air tank
facing
upside down. The balls need to make it into the tank from above and
drop
down the rise on the outside of the cup on their own. Again, we find
two opposite forces utilized, but the combined pressure doesn't
reach the pressure necessary to press a ball through a pipe that
would block air to escape at the top. Air would escape too easily in
this
case.

End of description of Perpetum Mobile Idea #357

Now comes the trick.

Pressure can be closed away. Whick means we have floors. A door
can close and form one floor filled with water. The ball enter a
shallow
bottom floor that is closed away from all the water pressure. The
bottom
floor expands in size and is accepting balls. Robotics. Once the balls
literally dropped in from above the bottom floor, the creature begins
closing
back in and the door opens and all the pressure returns. Here the
balls begin a journey upward, and so on.

There is a ball collector, sealer, releaser at the bottom of the water
tank.
The balls can come down on their own, enter without resisting
pressure.
There needs to be a gate that opens and closes and tight seals.

If you disagree with this you chose to be dumber than atoms and
your relationship is also narrowed to two atoms.

What if balls are exactly the weight of water. There is a possibility
that balls make it randomly from the bottom to the top. We achieve
nothing from this. Balls can also move randomly from the top of the
water tank to the bottom of their weight is equal to water's.

A distance travels in the random. Water consists of constantly moving
particles and things are in constant random motion.

The rule remains: We cannot get heavier balls up from the bottom or
lighter balls down to the bottom. If we work with balls that are equal
weight with the water in the tank, the pressure to press a ball
up from below in a tube will not be sufficient. We find two opposite
forces of a ball filled with air rising and a ball falling down in the
air
on the side of the tank but the combined force of up pressure and
down pressure is still equal or less to generate work.

So the natural result is that you can't generate work this way.
The balls can't get squeezed up from under a water tank using the
weight and pressure generated by the balls themselves.

To the trick #2.

A long narrow pipe filled with water. Narrow so it just holds enough
space
for balls to pass through.

The balls travel long distance up in this pipe filled with water as
they
are lighter than water. The only question of this experiment is how
to insert balls into the bottom of this pipe that is filled with
water.

I suggested that trick one is to block the back pressure of the water
somehow by using a closed down gate as the ball enters, one where
the gate reopens allowing the ball to move up. The gate is like a
water
faucet turned off. This gate closes all the back pressure, perhaps
fills with
air. Then the faucet reopens and the water comes back, sits on the
ball
and the ball rises.

.

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