The geological 'Past' and physics 'past'

From: Oriel36 (geraldkelleher_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 08/17/04


Date: 17 Aug 2004 06:32:09 -0700

The most valuable and notable cotribution by geologists may be that
the recorded history of the planet is laid down in sediments like a
book cast in rock.It made not only planetary evolution possible but
also human evolution,archaeology and many associated disciplines.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/steno.html

Why would geologists,archaeologists or any other person who comes
under the scientific umbrella trade this most wonderful concept of
past history for another view of the past ?.Why would people behave
like traitors to their own disciplines to uphold the idea of a "unique
now" and present it as something 'profound'.

http://www.dsuper.net/~tinom/ph2000/PERSONAL.html

If it were possible for geologists,who have a special interest and
method of treating the recorded history of our planet's past structure
and evolution,to venture into astronomical history and view for
themselves how finite light distance was originally determined as the
'Equation of Light' rather than the speed of light (on which the early
20th century models depend),most of the difficulties in judging what
is correct and what is not will vanish.This facilitates a more open
approach to astronomical phenomena and the connection between
cosmological evolution and planetary evolution.

http://dibinst.mit.edu/BURNDY/OnlinePubs/Roemer/index.html

The original determination of finite light distance and its effects on
observation was framed as the Equation of Light or the Mora Luminis.It
is strictly based on the notion that it takes light a finite amount of
time to get from one place to another and where the distance between
the object and receiver widens or closes,it will generate an
illusion.This is what Ole Roemer drew on to determine the value of 186
000 miles.

It was known that Jupiter's moon Io had an irregular motion that sped
up and slowed down.Roemer reasoned that Io had an average motion like
all other satellites so he accounted for the erratic motion by
shifting his attension to the planets Earth and Jupiter and their
respective orbits around the Sun and to each other.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/images/alienearth/alignment.gif

For each 186,000 miles that the orbits of Jupiter and Earth closed and
widened from each other over the course of their annual orbits,it
would generate an observational effect on the appearance of a
satellite behind Jupiter and the times it did appear and when it
should have appeared as an average motion.The erratic motion of Io
would appear different when seen from the planet Mars insofar as Mars
orbital motion wrt Jupiter's in different but ultimately the erratic
motion vanishes when finite light time is taken into account as their
respective orbits widen and close.

In the early 1920's they took the unbelievable step of determining
that you measure finite light distance whether you approach an object
or recede from an object to be the same without any affect on the
objects,prefering to say that 'time' slows down rather than the
illusion which Roemer noted as the Equation of Light.Astronomy, in the
1920's, became more associated with H.G.Wells ( people in that era
knew the 'Time Machine' book) than with the different perspectives
geologists and archaeologists were taking in mapping the planet's and
human history.

This is not a historical commentary but an active and ongoing
dilemma.How do geologists inform their wayward physicist and
astronomical colleagues that they have painted themselves into a
corner and threaten to take everyone else under the scientific
umbrella with them.Is not the Earth itself the greatest time machine
all laid down in sediments and magnificent features ?,is not the
internet a time machine to take us back to different eras and see what
they thought and what they considered important ?,this being the only
time travel I know of and freely availible to all.

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Behind every great accomplishment in natural phenomena,a undercurrent
of history flows.Those opportunists who know how to use insights of
others attain the credit and dominance as monolithic theories long
after the original insights were made are in some ways welcome to it
so long as they do not introduce insincerity.Unfortunately,this is
what Newton did,among those who know no better he was a genius but
among genius he was a traitor who diluted the concept of what a genius
is.You can watch as the struggle of Kepler and Galileo to present the
power of the heliocentric system come to naught as Newton backslides
into an odd mixture of geocentricity and heliocentricity.

"PHÆNOMENON IV.
That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five
primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the
earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean
distances from the sun.

This proportion, first observed by Kepler, is now received by all
astronomers; for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions
of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth,
or the earth about the sun. And as to the measures of the periodic
times, all astronomers are agreed about them. But for the dimensions
of the orbits, Kepler and Bullialdus, above all others, have
determined them from observations with the greatest accuracy; and the
mean distances corresponding to the periodic times differ but
insensibly from those which they have assigned, and for the most part
fall in between them; as we may see from the following table."

http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm

"The proportion existing between the periodic times of any two planets
is exactly the sesquiplicate proportion of the mean distances of the
orbits, or as generally given,the squares of the periodic times are
proportional to the cubes of the mean distances." Kepler



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