Re: Carsten needs to fix his window

From: don findlay (don_at_tower.net.au)
Date: 01/03/05 

Date: 2 Jan 2005 17:19:54 -0800

Jo Schaper wrote:
> don findlay wrote:
> >
> > I don't have a real newsreader. Or if I do I've never bothered to
use
> > it. I use google. Google is my pal. Google is fast, and Google
orders
> > stuff, and makes it easy to find other stuff. I reckon Google's
> > windows are terrfic, and it finds me lots of neat stuff on the web.
>
> Don,
> Google is Ok as a search engine. However, as a newsgroup reader,
it
> doesn't propagate very well. Or in any event, I get more threads from
a
> straight Usenet newsfeed than the Google groups option.
>
> >
> > Anyhow, now that we've got the spelling, the line-breaks and the
> > characters and newsreaders as an expression of web-solidarity
sorted
> > out, are any of you people going to back up Carsten's claim as to
his
> > normality, or is he as dopey as he declares himself to be with
every
> > post?
>
> I have never met Carsten, but he has always seemed 'normal' and
> intelligent in responses to posts I have made.
>
>
> > You folks are
> > participating in the change that's happening, and all you do is
insist
> > on being such curmudgeons, and calling it mind-plittingly boring.
What
> > is it about geological change that you're so inured against?
>
> Nothing against geological change. Nothing (per se) against
revolutions
> in thinking, either. However, I am skeptical of the 'evidence' I've
seen
> for EE theory to this point. Someone show me evidence that the actual

> distance between Point A and Point B has changed equidistant to
Points C
> and D on the other side of the globe over a known period of time, and

> that change is unexplained by current theory, and/or better explained
by
> EE theory, and I am open to change. But not until then.

I've forgotten what I was going to say about this .. ( But like the 30
metres of shift that happened the other day, Jo, I hope you have to
wait a long time before you're convinced.) It had to do with what you
say about current theory, and why you are so convinced the current
theory provides good explanations..

> I make no claims
> that PT is the be all and end all and will never be modified or
> replaced. It is, indeed, being modified all the time.

I see John Hernlund making the same point as being in its favour, when
to me it is a huge indictment.

> But I have yet to
> see that it is broken, and that another model better describes the
> earth. Remember, these are all models created by mere humans, whom,
as
> Douglas Adams once wrote, 'still think digital watches are a pretty
keen
> idea."

No, that's not true. Models are not created by humans, not good ones
at any rate. A good one slices right to the core, precludes *ANY*
finagling and fiddling. There's a difference between you configuring
the data ('science')("modifying your model all the time"), and the
data configuring you (metaphysics). Insight is a strange thing. The
'barrier' is removed. It's all about analogy, perception, cognition,
scale, experience. Mechanistic 'Science' has no place in that. It's
not about model 'building'. And it *does* spill over into other areas
into an awareness generally that 'things are not like that'. Or at
least might not be quite the way you have been used to seeing. And if
it's true for you, then it's probably true for others, that they're not
seeing things quite the 'right' way. Can be unsettling, the way it
shifts the balance about how the 'real world' is perceived. It
probably does put you 'outside the box' to some extent. Makes you
wonder how other people really do see things, when you relate the
before and after of your own experience. "This is the way I see
things/ this is the way I used to see things" That second one adds a
whole different dynamic to communication. Conversion-speak? Sure,
..S'pose it is in a way....

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