Re: Harvard Pres: Women Lack Ability In Math, Sciences

From: George (george_at_wtfiswrongwithyou.com)
Date: 01/19/05 

Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:58:23 GMT

<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message news:9oOdncymva-N9XPcRVn-2g@rcn.net...
> In article <6Y9Hd.10284$P04.3070@attbi_s03>,
> "George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Philip Lewis" <nottelling@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:354hkpF4hsn18U1@individual.net...
> <snip>
>
>>>> The Harvard professor said "women lack natural ability in some fields".
>>>
>>> He said a lot more than that but YOU in common with those who are
> seeking to
>>> repress any scientific findings which do not support their prejudice
> jump on
>>> out of context 'quotes' as if that was the whole argument that was made
> - for
>>> example in the same article it is reported ""It's possible I made some
>>> reference to innate differences," he said.He said people "would prefer
> to
>>> believe" that the differences in
>>> performance between the sexes are due to social factors, "but these are
> things
>>> that need to be studied." Even so if it is TRUE (and there is a question
> about
>>> that for we are depending on absolute accuracy in reporting here!) that
> he
>>> made those remarks (i.e. "women lack natural ability in some fields". )
> then
>>> in your response it is clear that you have taken the most extreme and
>>> ridiculous meaning of that phrase in your attempts to 'debunk' it. For
> when we
>>> say (talking about the sexes in the mass or plural level) there are
>>> differences in men and womens 'spatial abilities' it is not meant to
> mean that
>>> EVERY single mam has different or superior spatial skills to every
> single
>>> woman. that is why your anecdotal example is completely worthless in the
>>> context of this discussion
>>>
>>> Phil
>>
>>He said what he said. I offer no apologies or excuses for my response. I
> know
>>many women whe are successful scientists and mathematicians, and who are
> quite
>>brilliant at what they do. If he (or you, for that matter) has a problem
> with
>>women, perhaps he should try to understand them instead of making
> off-the-wall
>>stupid remarks that he cannot scientifically or socially justify.
>>
>>Oh, and please define "mam" in the context of your post, above.
>
> I would rather these idiots stop focusing on sex head counts
> and address the real problem, namely none of the younger generation
> is getting the adequate science and math education. Count the
> grads over all science and math programs; subtract non-US citizens.
>
> I just found out that my nephew was advised by his school counselors
> to not take algebra. This is a kid who has always talked about
> going into science or computers.
>
> /BAH
>
> Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

Don't let them sway your nephew. I was told not to go to college, but I went
anyway, and received an A.S. in Mathematics, a B.A. degree and a B.S degree, and
my M.S. in Geology. What the hell do underpaid counselors know?