Re: Harvard Pres: Women Lack Ability In Math, Sciences

From: Ralph Nesbitt (ralph-nesbitt_at_sbcglobal.net)
Date: 01/20/05 

Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:26:02 GMT

"George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote in message
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>
> <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <6Y9Hd.10284$P04.3070@attbi_s03>,
> > "George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>"Philip Lewis" <nottelling@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:354hkpF4hsn18U1@individual.net...
> > <snip>
> >
> >>>> The Harvard professor said "women lack natural ability in some
fields".
> >>>
> >>> He said a lot more than that but YOU in common with those who are
> > seeking to
> >>> repress any scientific findings which do not support their prejudice
> > jump on
> >>> out of context 'quotes' as if that was the whole argument that was
made
> > - for
> >>> example in the same article it is reported ""It's possible I made some
> >>> reference to innate differences," he said.He said people "would prefer
> > to
> >>> believe" that the differences in
> >>> performance between the sexes are due to social factors, "but these
are
> > things
> >>> that need to be studied." Even so if it is TRUE (and there is a
question
> > about
> >>> that for we are depending on absolute accuracy in reporting here!)
that
> > he
> >>> made those remarks (i.e. "women lack natural ability in some
fields". )
> > then
> >>> in your response it is clear that you have taken the most extreme and
> >>> ridiculous meaning of that phrase in your attempts to 'debunk' it. For
> > when we
> >>> say (talking about the sexes in the mass or plural level) there are
> >>> differences in men and womens 'spatial abilities' it is not meant to
> > mean that
> >>> EVERY single mam has different or superior spatial skills to every
> > single
> >>> woman. that is why your anecdotal example is completely worthless in
the
> >>> context of this discussion
> >>>
> >>> Phil
> >>
> >>He said what he said. I offer no apologies or excuses for my response.
I
> > know
> >>many women whe are successful scientists and mathematicians, and who are
> > quite
> >>brilliant at what they do. If he (or you, for that matter) has a
problem
> > with
> >>women, perhaps he should try to understand them instead of making
> > off-the-wall
> >>stupid remarks that he cannot scientifically or socially justify.
> >>
> >>Oh, and please define "mam" in the context of your post, above.
> >
> > I would rather these idiots stop focusing on sex head counts
> > and address the real problem, namely none of the younger generation
> > is getting the adequate science and math education. Count the
> > grads over all science and math programs; subtract non-US citizens.
> >
> > I just found out that my nephew was advised by his school counselors
> > to not take algebra. This is a kid who has always talked about
> > going into science or computers.
> >
> > /BAH
> >
> > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
>
> Don't let them sway your nephew. I was told not to go to college, but I
went
> anyway, and received an A.S. in Mathematics, a B.A. degree and a B.S
degree, and
> my M.S. in Geology. What the hell do underpaid counselors know?
>
Counselors generally express institutional biases.Odds are the counselor has
a degree from a "Liberal Arts College" designed to sound impressive, but of
very little practical everyday use.

It never ceases to amaze me the number of people with "Liberal Arts Degrees"
,supervising trade personnel such as electricians, plumbers, HVAC, etc. The
trades require practical working knowledge of math & chemistry that the
"Liberal Arts Degreed Supervisor" is clueless about.

The average laborer working for a "Framing Contractor" has a greater
knowledge of algebra & trigonometry than the typical counselor with a degree
from a typical "Liberal Arts College".
Ralph Nesbitt

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