Re: Female scientists 'undervalued'
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Date: 02/22/05
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Date: 21 Feb 2005 19:15:04 -0800
EjP wrote:
> George wrote:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/4276067.stm
> >
> > Women are more successful than men in gaining their first academic
post but feel
> > winning promotion proves more difficult, a new study says.
> > A University of East Anglia study shows men still occupy the lion's
share of key
> > positions in UK academic science.
> >
> > Women scientists feel undervalued by colleagues and discouraged
from making
> > progress in their careers.
> >
> > The study was presented to the American Association for the
Advancement of
> > Science in Washington DC on Friday.
> >
> > More than 6,500 scientists from 40 UK universities and a range of
publicly
> > funded research institutes responded to online surveys about their
career
> > experiences and perceptions.
> >
> > Replies revealed that a higher proportion of men than women took
the top jobs.
> >
> > Many scientists felt that active encouragement to go for a post or
take
> > responsibility was a major factor in seeking promotion but more
than 50% of
> > women said they did not receive this backing.
> >
> > Significantly lower percentages of women than men feel their
departments value
> > their contributions.
> >
> > Collaborative research
> >
> > Women are more successful at achieving a post on their first
application, yet
> > 44% of them feel disadvantaged in terms of promotion.
> >
> > Only 14% of men believe women are disadvantaged in terms of
promotion. Fewer
> > women are actively involved in research and speaking at conferences
and this is
> > seen as a barrier to promotion.
> >
> > Jan Anderson, from the University of East Anglia, said: "We know
encouragement
> > breeds success. But we have to ask if women do not notice the tap
on the
> > shoulder or whether for them the encouragement is indeed absent.
> >
> > "Results will enable universities and policy makers to focus on
areas of change
> > that will improve the recruitment, retention and advancement of
women
> > scientists."
> >
> > The research is in collaboration with the Athena Project which was
set up in
> > 1999.
> >
> >
> I thought it was odd that the article focused on how women *feel*
about
> their chances of being promoted rather than giving statistics about
> whether they actually *get* promoted.
>
> Speaking as a male who's worked in science for 25 years, I have no
idea
> where this "men are given encouragement to seek promotion" garbage
is.
> I've been hearing how lousy the job market is and how slim everyone's
> chances are since I was in grad. school.
>
> Science is not about warm fuzzies.
>
> -E
I'd be interested in a study in which men are asked how they feel about
this, women are asked how they feel about this, then the results
compared to statistics on how they actually are promoted. Is one gender
more accurate in their perception than the other? If so, what factors
trigger these more-or-less accurate perceptions?
Kermit
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